T h e F i d o G a z e t t e Volume 13 Number 28 July 10th, 2019 +--------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | .----------------------. | dr.debug: dr.debug @ filegate.net | | | A Weekly E-Zine | | bbslist: bbslist @ filegate.net | | | published by Fidonet | | articles: fidogazette @ filegate.net| | | to promote BBSing | +----------------------------------------+ | | ____________. | | | | / __ |"Anyone who has never made a mistake | | | / / \ | has never tried anything new." | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | Albert Einstein | | \_______\(_| /_) | | | \@/ \ | Got Something To Say? | | .---.\ _ | Say it in the | | (jk) _ |usb| \ \\ | =The FidoGazette= | | / | .___. \ ))| | | / | /_ | / \// | Editor: Janis Kracht | | |___| // || _\ / | janis @ filegate . net | | .--`-. (_|(_|(____/ | janis kracht 1:261/38 | | |____| (jm) | | +--------------------------+----------------------------------------+ Table Of Contents Reports: This week's Echomail Statistics ....... 3 This week's FileGate File Report ....... 4 Fidonet SoftWare List ................. 5 FidoGazette BBS List .................. 6 More Information ....................... 7 FIDOGAZETTE Vol 13 No 28 July 10th, 2019 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================ QUOTE of the DAY ================================================================ Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. ~Albert Einstein FIDOGAZETTE Vol 13 No 28 Page 2 July 10th, 2019 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= ECHOMAIL STATISTICS ================================================================= Echomail Statistics Last 7 days By Janis Kracht, 1:261/38, janis@filegate.net Unsorted: Sorted: Percent: ======== ======= ======== 0 10TH_AMD 302 WEATHER 12.60% 0 AARP_FRAUD 182 FIDO-REQ 7.59% 0 ABLED 174 RECIPES 7.26% 0 ADEPT_SYSOP 174 HOME_COOKING 7.26% 0 AFTERSHOCK 153 SYNCHRONET 6.38% 2 ALASKA_CHAT 132 RBERRYPI 5.51% 97 ALLFIX_FILE 131 STATS 5.47% 0 ALLFIX_HELP 126 SYNCDATA 5.26% 73 ALL-POLITICS 104 COOKING 4.34% 0 AMATEUR_RADIO 103 BBS_ADS 4.30% 8 AMIGA 97 ALLFIX_FILE 4.05% 0 ANTIQUES 85 FDN_ANNOUNCE 3.55% 0 ANTI_VIRUS 73 BBS_PROMOTION 3.05% 0 APPLE 73 ALL-POLITICS 3.05% 0 AQUARIUM 53 MEMORIES 2.21% 0 ARGUS 50 FIDONEWS 2.09% 0 ARROWBRIDGE 45 FTSC_PUBLIC 1.88% 0 ARTWARE 39 SHAREWARE_SUPPORT 1.63% 10 ASIAN_LINK 28 SYNC_SYSOPS 1.17% 0 AUTOMOTIVE 28 ENGLISH_TUTOR 1.17% 0 BABYLON5 20 OTHERNETS 0.83% 0 BAMA 18 BINKD 0.75% 0 BASH 13 Z1C 0.54% 0 BATPOWER 13 FIDOTEST 0.54% 0 BBBS.ENGLISH 12 MYSTIC 0.50% 103 BBS_ADS 11 POLITICS 0.46% 11 BBS_CARNIVAL 11 LINUX_BBS 0.46% 0 BBS_INTERNET 11 FN_SYSOP 0.46% 73 BBS_PROMOTION 11 FIDOGAZETTE 0.46% 0 BBS-SCENE 11 BBS_CARNIVAL 0.46% 7 BIBLE 10 ASIAN_LINK 0.42% 18 BINKD 9 ESSNASA 0.38% 0 BINKLEY 9 ECHO_ADS 0.38% 0 BLUEWAVE 8 AMIGA 0.33% 0 CATS_MEOW 7 TAGLINES 0.29% 5 CBM 7 MINISTER 0.29% 1 CFORSALE 7 FIDO_SYSOP 0.29% 0 CHWARE 7 BIBLE 0.29% 4 CLASSIC_COMPU 6 ECHOLIST 0.25% 1 COFFEE_KLATSC 5 FILEGATE 0.21% 0 COMM 5 CBM 0.21% 0 CONSPRCY 4 HAM 0.17% 0 CONTROVERSIAL 4 FUTURE4FIDO 0.17% 104 COOKING 4 FE_HELP 0.17% 0 CRAFT-BEADS 4 CLASSIC_COMPUTER 0.17% 0 CREATIVE.LINU 3 MUFFIN 0.13% 0 CROSSFIRE 2 WILDCAT!_SUPPORT 0.08% 0 CYBER-DANGER 2 PCBOARD 0.08% 0 DADS 2 PASCAL 0.08% 0 DBRIDGE 2 GOLDED 0.08% 1 DC_UNIVERSE 2 ALASKA_CHAT 0.08% 0 DEBATE 1 SURVIVOR 0.04% 0 DOGHOUSE 1 MARVEL_UNIVERSE 0.04% 0 DOOM 1 DC_UNIVERSE 0.04% 0 DOORGAMES 1 COFFEE_KLATSCH 0.04% 0 DOS 1 CFORSALE 0.04% 0 DOS_INTERNET 0 ZEC 0.00% 0 DR 0 Z1_ROUTING 0.00% 9 ECHO_ADS 0 Z1_ELECTION 0.00% 6 ECHOLIST 0 Z1_BACKBONE 0.00% 0 ECHOMODS 0 YAHOONEWS 0.00% 0 EC_SUPPORT 0 X-FILES 0.00% 0 EC_UTIL 0 XCODE 0.00% 0 EDGE_ONLINE 0 WX_TALK 0.00% 0 ELIST 0 WINDOWS 0.00% 0 EMERGCOM 0 WIN95 0.00% 28 ENGLISH_TUTOR 0 WHO 0.00% 0 ENTHRAL 0 VIASOFT_SUPPORT 0.00% 0 ESPOMEN 0 VATICAN 0.00% 9 ESSNASA 0 VADV 0.00% 0 FDECHO 0 TUXPOWER 0.00% 85 FDN_ANNOUNCE 0 TUB 0.00% 4 FE_HELP 0 TREK 0.00% 11 FIDOGAZETTE 0 TORNADO.SUPPORT 0.00% 50 FIDONEWS 0 TG_SUPPORT 0.00% 182 FIDO-REQ 0 TERMINAT 0.00% 0 FIDOSOFT.HUSK 0 TEAMOS2 0.00% 7 FIDO_SYSOP 0 SWL 0.00% 13 FIDOTEST 0 SPITFIRE 0.00% 0 FIDO_UTIL 0 SCANRADIO 0.00% 0 FILEFIND 0 RUSSIAN_TUTOR 0.00% 5 FILEGATE 0 RETAIL_HORROR 0.00% 0 FLASHMARIO 0 RENEGADE_BBS 0.00% 0 FMAIL_HELP 0 RA_UTIL 0.00% 11 FN_SYSOP 0 RA_SUPPORT 0.00% 45 FTSC_PUBLIC 0 RA_MULTI 0.00% 0 FUNNY 0 RAILFAN 0.00% 4 FUTURE4FIDO 0 RA_32BIT 0.00% 0 GECHO_HELP 0 PYTHON 0.00% 0 GENEALOGY 0 PUBLIC_KEYS 0.00% 2 GOLDED 0 PRISM 0.00% 0 GUITAR 0 POL_INC 0.00% 0 GUN_CONTROL 0 POL_DISORDER 0.00% 0 GUNS_N_SUCH 0 POINTS 0.00% 4 HAM 0 PKEY_DROP 0.00% 0 HAM_TECH 0 PERL 0.00% 0 HOLYSMOKE 0 PASCAL_LESSONS 0.00% 174 HOME_COOKING 0 OS2USER-L 0.00% 0 HOME_N_GRDN 0 OS2REXX 0.00% 0 HOTDOGED 0 OS2PROG 0.00% 0 IBBSDOOR 0 OS2HARDWARE-L 0.00% 0 IIHF 0 OS2DOSBBS 0.00% 0 IMECHO 0 OS2DOS 0.00% 0 INTERNET 0 OS2BBS 0.00% 0 IREX 0 OS2 0.00% 0 JAMNNTPD 0 NHL 0.00% 0 JAZZ 0 NFL 0.00% 0 JNODE 0 NET_DEV 0.00% 0 LINUX 0 MOVIES 0.00% 11 LINUX_BBS 0 MONTE 0.00% 0 LINUX-UBUNTU 0 ML_BASEBALL 0.00% 0 LINUX-USER 0 MBSE 0.00% 0 LIVE_AUDIO 0 MATZDOBRE 0.00% 0 LORD 0 MAKENL_NG 0.00% 0 LS_ARRL 0 LS_ARRL 0.00% 0 MAKENL_NG 0 LORD 0.00% 1 MARVEL_UNIVER 0 LIVE_AUDIO 0.00% 0 MATZDOBRE 0 LINUX-USER 0.00% 0 MBSE 0 LINUX-UBUNTU 0.00% 53 MEMORIES 0 LINUX 0.00% 7 MINISTER 0 JNODE 0.00% 0 ML_BASEBALL 0 JAZZ 0.00% 0 MONTE 0 JAMNNTPD 0.00% 0 MOVIES 0 IREX 0.00% 3 MUFFIN 0 INTERNET 0.00% 12 MYSTIC 0 IMECHO 0.00% 0 NET_DEV 0 IIHF 0.00% 0 NFL 0 IBBSDOOR 0.00% 0 NHL 0 HOTDOGED 0.00% 0 OS2 0 HOME_N_GRDN 0.00% 0 OS2BBS 0 HOLYSMOKE 0.00% 0 OS2DOS 0 HAM_TECH 0.00% 0 OS2DOSBBS 0 GUNS_N_SUCH 0.00% 0 OS2HARDWARE-L 0 GUN_CONTROL 0.00% 0 OS2PROG 0 GUITAR 0.00% 0 OS2REXX 0 GENEALOGY 0.00% 0 OS2USER-L 0 GECHO_HELP 0.00% 20 OTHERNETS 0 FUNNY 0.00% 2 PASCAL 0 FMAIL_HELP 0.00% 0 PASCAL_LESSON 0 FLASHMARIO 0.00% 2 PCBOARD 0 FILEFIND 0.00% 0 PERL 0 FIDO_UTIL 0.00% 0 PKEY_DROP 0 FIDOSOFT.HUSKY 0.00% 0 POINTS 0 FDECHO 0.00% 0 POL_DISORDER 0 ESPOMEN 0.00% 0 POL_INC 0 ENTHRAL 0.00% 11 POLITICS 0 EMERGCOM 0.00% 0 PRISM 0 ELIST 0.00% 0 PUBLIC_KEYS 0 EDGE_ONLINE 0.00% 0 PYTHON 0 EC_UTIL 0.00% 0 RA_32BIT 0 EC_SUPPORT 0.00% 0 RAILFAN 0 ECHOMODS 0.00% 0 RA_MULTI 0 DR 0.00% 0 RA_SUPPORT 0 DOS_INTERNET 0.00% 0 RA_UTIL 0 DOS 0.00% 132 RBERRYPI 0 DOORGAMES 0.00% 174 RECIPES 0 DOOM 0.00% 0 RENEGADE_BBS 0 DOGHOUSE 0.00% 0 RETAIL_HORROR 0 DEBATE 0.00% 0 RUSSIAN_TUTOR 0 DBRIDGE 0.00% 0 SCANRADIO 0 DADS 0.00% 39 SHAREWARE_SUP 0 CYBER-DANGER 0.00% 0 SPITFIRE 0 CROSSFIRE 0.00% 131 STATS 0 CREATIVE.LINUX 0.00% 1 SURVIVOR 0 CRAFT-BEADS 0.00% 0 SWL 0 CONTROVERSIAL 0.00% 126 SYNCDATA 0 CONSPRCY 0.00% 153 SYNCHRONET 0 COMM 0.00% 28 SYNC_SYSOPS 0 CHWARE 0.00% 7 TAGLINES 0 CATS_MEOW 0.00% 0 TEAMOS2 0 BLUEWAVE 0.00% 0 TERMINAT 0 BINKLEY 0.00% 0 TG_SUPPORT 0 BBS-SCENE 0.00% 0 TORNADO.SUPPO 0 BBS_INTERNET 0.00% 0 TREK 0 BBBS.ENGLISH 0.00% 0 TUB 0 BATPOWER 0.00% 0 TUXPOWER 0 BASH 0.00% 0 VADV 0 BAMA 0.00% 0 VATICAN 0 BABYLON5 0.00% 0 VIASOFT_SUPPO 0 AUTOMOTIVE 0.00% 302 WEATHER 0 ARTWARE 0.00% 0 WHO 0 ARROWBRIDGE 0.00% 2 WILDCAT!_SUPP 0 ARGUS 0.00% 0 WIN95 0 AQUARIUM 0.00% 0 WINDOWS 0 APPLE 0.00% 0 WX_TALK 0 ANTI_VIRUS 0.00% 0 XCODE 0 ANTIQUES 0.00% 0 X-FILES 0 AMATEUR_RADIO 0.00% 0 YAHOONEWS 0 ALLFIX_HELP 0.00% 0 Z1_BACKBONE 0 AFTERSHOCK 0.00% 13 Z1C 0 ADEPT_SYSOP 0.00% 0 Z1_ELECTION 0 ABLED 0.00% 0 Z1_ROUTING 0 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New file list: http://www.filegate.net/info/nfiles.zip All file list: http://www.filegate.net/info/files.zip Files available for freq at 607-200-4076 via modem or freq at filegate.net via binkp standard port. Note: descriptions abbreviated for publication. For full description, please see files.zip or nfiles.zip FIDOGAZETTE Vol 13 No 28 Page 4 July 10th, 2019 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= F I D O N E T S O F T W A R E L I S T ================================================================= ================================================================= FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= BBS Software List Updated 2019-06-24 Maintained by Andrew Leary (1:320/219) Editors Emeritus: Robert Couture, Janis Kracht, Sean Dennis M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility #=Info F=TIC/SRIF Processor *=Software is available and may be registerable, but no longer supported or updated. @=Website is operating but is no longer updated. ?=Software's updating/support status is unknown. O=Software is open source. This list contains BBS-related software that is available for registration (not necessarily supported), open source software and actively developed/supported software by its author. Software listed may be available for DOS, Linux, OS/2 (eComStation), Windows (16 or 32 bit) and OSX. .- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -. |Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node| `- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -' ==> FRONT-END/INTERNET MAILERS Argus |MI*? |http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products | | /argus/ | | v3.210 on 2001-03-29 BinkleyTerm XE |MO* |http://btxe.sourceforge.net | | 2.60XE Beta-XH7 on 2000-10-22 BinkD |MI? |http://binkd.grumbler.org | | gul@gul.kiev.ua 2:463/68 | | v.1.0.4 | | v.1.1a-99 (alpha) | | ftp://cvs.happy.kiev.ua/pub/fidosoft | | /mailer/binkd/ | |http://www.filegate.net/r50/aftnbinkd/ D'Bridge |MTCPE|http://www.dbridgemailer.com |I | support@dbridgemailer.com 1:1/130 Nick Andre | | v3.99 SR 44 on 2019-06-16 FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.datenbahn.dd-dns.de/ | | cdp/fp_deluxe/ | | v2.4 on 2003-09-26 FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MITPC|http://www.defsol.se 2:20/4609 Definite Solutions |E | sales@defsol.se | | FD v2.33ml, FD/APX v1.15 InterMail |MCPE |http://www.Intermail.net 1:220/60 Dale Barnes | | dalebarnes42@majik.net | | IM v2.60 on 2017-08-28 Husky Project |MTPUI|http://husky.sourceforge.net/ |EO? | v1.9 RC2 on 2010-04-20 Taurus |MI |http://www.fidotel.com/public/forums/ (based on Radius) |? | taurus/index.htm | | v5.0 on 2006-06-12 | | T-Mail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru (Russian only) |? | v2608 on 2001-12-12 AfterShock |MTEI |https://play.google.com/store/apps/ Asvcorp | | details?id=com.asvcorp.aftershock Anatoly Vdovichev | | rudi.timmer@mail.ch 2:292/140 Rudi Timmermans | | v1.6.7 on 2017-11-19 HotDogEd |E |https://play.google.com/store/apps/ Sergey Pushkin | | details?id=com.pushkin.hotdoged | | v2.13.5 on 2017-03-13 2:5020/2141 HotDogEd FidoNet |MTI |https://play.google.com/store/apps/ Provider | | details?id=com.pushkin.hotdoged.fido Sergey Pushkin | | v2.13.5 on 2017-03-13 2:5020/2141 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> MAIL TOSSERS Crashmail II |TO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net/ | | crashmail.html FastEcho |T |http://www.softeq.de/old/Products | | /FastEcho/fastecho.html | | v1.46.1 on 2007-11-13 | | Registration keys are free & available | | by request from the author Fidogate |TUI? |http://www.fidogate.org | | v4.4.10 on 2004-08-27 | | FMail |TO |https://sourceforge.net/projects/fmail/ | | v2.0.1.4 on 2017-04-21 InterEcho |T |http://www.Intermail.net 1:220/60 Dale Barnes | | dalebarnes42@majik.net | | IE 1.20 on 2017-08-28 JetMail: JetSys |TU | (ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on 2000-01-01 Squish |T* |http://www.filegate.net/maximus_bbs/ | | v1.11R2 on 2009-01-01 | | Source code available in Maximus BBS | | archive: http://maximus.sourceforge.net WWIVToss |T |http://www.weather-station.org/wwiv/ | | v1.51 on 2015-05-23 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> BBS SOFTWARE BBBS |BICTM|http://www.bbbs.net 2:22/222 | | b@bbbs.net | | v4.01 on 2007-01-28 EleBBS |BO*? |http://www.elebbs.com | | v0.10.RC1 on 2002-06-09 Enthral BBS |B |http://enthralbbs.com 1:250/501 Linux/BSD/OSX | | v0.429/Alpha on 2010-10-14 | | Fidonet filebone SCENEENT Ezycom BBS |BT* |http://www.ezycom-bbs.com 3:690/682 | | v2.15g2 on 2009-11-16 GT Power |B |http://www.gtpowerbbs.com/ | | v19.00 Hermes II Project |BT |http://www.hermesbbs.com/ Macintosh-based | | malyn@strangegizmo.com | | v3.5.10b3 Maximus BBS |BO* |http://www.filegate.net/maximus_bbs/ | | v3.03 | | Source code available at: | | http://maximus.sourceforge.net/ MBSE BBS |BMTFI|https://sourceforge.net 1:320/219 |PO | /projects/mbsebbs | | ajleary@sourceforge.net | | v1.0.7.12 on 2019-03-15 Meltdown BBS |UIO |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/ | | v1.0b on 2004-04-26 Mystic BBS |BMTCE|http://www.mysticbbs.com |IO | v1.12 A43 on 2019-02-01 NiKom BBS (Amiga) |BO |http://www.nikom.org | | v2.3.1 on 2017-07-01 RemoteAccess BBS |B? |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120 | | bfmorse@rapro.com | | v2.62.2SW Renegade BBS |B |http://renegadebbs.info 1:129/305 | | v1.10/DOS on 2009-10-03 Spitfire BBS |B? |http://www.buffalocrk.com/ | | mdwoltz@buffalocrk.com | | v3.7 on 2010-01-01 Synchronet BBS |BMTIO|http://www.synchro.net 1:103/705 | | v3.17b on 2019-01-01 Telegard BBS |B* | | | v3.09g2-sp4/mL on 1999-12-19 WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com Xpress: Santronics | | Software, Inc. | | v7.0 AUP 454.5 on 2016-06-23 WWIV BBS |B |http://www.wwivbbs.org | | v5.00 on 2015-12-14 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> TIC PROCESSORS/FILEFIX/SRIF Allfix |FIUT |http://www.allfix.com/ 1:140/12 Bob Seaborn | | v6.0.22 on 2011-01-26 NEF/pk |F |http://nefpk.8m.com/ | | v2.45b2 on 2000-03-05 TinyTIC |FO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net | | /tinytic.html | | 1:120/544 VIReq |FO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net | | /vireq.html | | 1:120/544 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> BBS DOORS/UTILITIES Cheepware |DU |http://outpostbbs.net/cheepware.html Sean Dennis | | sysop@outpostbbs.net 1:18/200 | | Fidonet filebone CH-WARE DDS (Doorware |D@ |http://www.doorgames.org Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org Ruth Argust | | Jibben Software |D* |http://www.jibbensoftware.com/ | | bbs-door-games.cfm | | scott@jibben.com | | 1995-99 Release dates John Dailey Software |DU |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com Shining Star |D* |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ | | nannette@shiningstar.net | | Doors are registerable via website Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com | | Tel: (404) 256-9518 T1ny's Software |DU |http://www.tinysbbs.com/files/tsoft/ Shawn Highfield | | shighfield@gmail.com 1:229/452 | | Fidonet filebone CH-WARE The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ | | stanley@brainex.com | | 1994-99 Releases Trade Wars |D* |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ | | jpritch@eisonline.com | | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002 Vagabond Software |DU* |http://vbsoft.dhakota.org | | d@dhakota.org | | Last update: 2008-04-11 WWIVEdit |DE |http://www.weather-station.org/wwiv/ | | v3.0 on 2011-06-27 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> POINT SOFTWARE CrossPoint (XP) |P? |http://www.crosspoint.de (German only) | | pm@crosspoint.de | | v3.12d on 1999-12-22 FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de (German only) | | support@freexp.de | | v3.42 on 2010-06-27 FidoIP |PO |http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki | | /fidoip/ | | v.1.0.5 on 2010-12 OpenXP |PIO |https://sourceforge.net/projects | | /openxp5/ 2:240/2188.31 | |http://openxp.uk Windows/Linux | | dev@openxp.uk English/German | | v5.0.28 on 2016-09-10 WinPoint |P? |http://www.winpoint.org | | English/German/Spanish | | v5 (Beta Release) on 2017-03-17 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> SYSOP MAIL EDITORS GoldEd+ |EO |http://golded-plus.sourceforge.net/ | | v1.1.5 (Snapshot) on 2015-11-30 | | NOTE: Unstable versions released often SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de 2:2476/493 | | v1.15 on 1999-12-15 | | Website is in German and English +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> INTERNET UTILITIES Ifmail |UIO |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net | | crosser@average.org Internet Rex |UI? |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/ | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806 | | v2.29 on 2001-10-21 JamNNTPd |UIO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net | | /jamnntpd.html | | 1:120/544 Luckygate |UO | ftp://happy.kiev.ua/pub/fidosoft/gate | | /lgate | | gul@gul.kiev.ua MakeNL |UO |http://makenl.sourceforge.net | | v3.5.0 on 2019-05-06 RNtrack |U |http://sourceforge.net/projects | | /ftrack-as 2:5080/102 | |stas_degteff@users.sourceforge.net | | v1.32 on 2011-04-29 TransNet |UIO? |http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mressl/ | | transnet/index.html | | transnet@ressl.com.ar | | v2.11 on 2007-09-13 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> INFORMATIONAL WEBSITES/BBS LISTS Telnet/Dialup BBS |# |http://www.telnetbbsguide.com 1:275/89 Guide | | Maintained by Dave Perrussel | | This is probably the most updated BBS | | list on the Internet for a general | | BBS list. Synchronet BBS List |# |http://www.synchro.net/sbbslist.html | | Maintained automatically | | This list is specifically for | | Synchronet-based BBS systems and is | | automatically updated nightly. The BBS Corner |# |http://www.bbscorner.com | | This website is more than just files, | | it's an encyclopedia of knowledge for | | BBS sysops and people who want to | | become sysops. This site is run by | | the same person who does the Telnet | | BBS Guide. BBS Nexus |# |https://bbsnexus.com | | This website offers a searchable list | | of Telnet BBS's. +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ File Archives: http://archives.thebbs.org http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org (site is no longer maintained) http://www.simtel.net http://www.bbsfiles.com http://hobbes.nmsu.edu (OS/2 specific) http://www.filegate.net/ (FTP access via port 60721) http://www.tinysbbs.com/files/ Note: Most also provide FTP access (use ftp instead of http above) The BBS Software List is published weekly in the FidoNews. If you have corrections, suggestions or additions to the information above, please contact Andrew Leary with your information via the FIDONEWS echo or netmail at 1:320/219. FIDOGAZETTE Vol 13 No 28 Page 5 July 10th, 2019 ----------------------------------------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= !!! G A Z E T T E B B S L I S T !!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-= By bbslist @ filegate.net Send updates, changes to address above or to janis @ filegate.net. Updated: July 18, 2018 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......BlackICE BBS FidoAddress..2:240/8001 Software.....Mystic OS...........Win 7 Ultimate 32Bit C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files, and message reading. Also access to the Newscenter with News, Weatherupdates, Twitter-access and many more. Message posting and downloads requires sysop validation. Fido write-access only with realname. Telnet.......blackice.bbsindex.com Telnet/SSH...blackice.bbsindex.com:22 FTP..........Available for all BBS-Members NNTP.........Available for all BBS-Members (Fido readonly) WWW..........www.blackicebbs.de.vu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Capitol City Online FidoAddress..1:2320/105 Phone........502-875-8938 Software.....GT Power OS...........OS/2 C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to most of BBS upon finishing new user questionnaire Telnet.......capcity2.synchro.net telnet access to GT Power BBS - same as dial-up www:.........http://capcity2.synchro.net Notes:.......This site runs Synchronet under linux. Requires separate user registration. Has same message areas as dial-up/telnet bbs. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Castle Rock BBS FidoAddress..1:317/3 Software.....Mystic BBS OS...........Linux Access.......Access granted with use of Auto-Verifier. Users must supply REAL name in order to access Fido message group. Telnet.......bbs.castlerockbbs.com Notes........Almost 2500 message areas, with over 1 million messages online. Multiple file networks, with many new files coming in daily. Large assortment of classic software available. Many door games, both local and InterBBS available. Testing site for Galactic Dynasty and Legion RPG door games. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Christian Fellowship FidoAddress..1:266/512 Phone........1-856-933-7096 Software.....PCBoard 15.3 OS...........Windows XP pro C/B Verify...Manually via email or voice usually within 24 hours. Access.......Read only until verified. Once verified write access to Msg bases, file areas, chat and doors/games. Telnet.......cfbbs.no-ip.com Available on port 23 or port 26 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Doc's Place BBS Online FidoAddress..1:123/140 Software.....Wildcat 5.42 OS...........Windows 7 pro Access.......Read only until sysop verified. Telnet/Web:..http://www.docsplace.org/ http: .......bbs.docsplace.org telnet: .....bbs.docsplace.org:26 ftp: ........bbs.docsplace.org:21 Notes .......Instant access QWK via web browser** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Cyberia BBS FidoAddress..1:106/324 Software.....Mystic v1.12 OS...........Ubuntu 16.04 C/B Verify...N/A Access.......Full Access on First Call. Aliases allowed, Real Name required for Fidonet Access Telnet.......cyberiabbs.zapto.org FTP..........cyberiabbs.zapto.org WWW..........cyberiabbs.zapto.org Notes........HQ and support for Gryphon's Mystic MPL Mods. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Laser BBS FidoAddress..2:250/5 Software.....MBSE v1.0.x OS...........Debian 8 Jessie C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files, and message reading Telnet.......mbse.laserbbs.co.uk:2323 SSH..........no WWW..........mbse.laserbbs.co.uk FTP..........no FREQ.........BinkP or ifcico Notes........FidoNet, FSXNet, LinuxNet, SportNet, FMLYNet, VKRADIO =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Lightning BBS FidoAddress..1:311/2 Software.....Virtual Advanced OS...........Windows XP C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files and message reading. Message posting requires validation. Telnet.......lightningbbs.com www:.........http:/www.lightningbbs.com/index.php Thanks to VADV-PHP you can access almost everything the BBS has to offer from the web, with the exception of door games. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Omicron Theta FIDOAddress..1:116/18 Software.....Wildcat! 7.0 OS...........Windows Server 2008 Standard C/B Verify...None Access.......Full access first call. Telnet.......winserver.us WWW..........winserver.us Notes........Fido host for WILDCAT!_SUPPORT and JAZZ echomail areas. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Orbit BBS FidoAddress..1:123/400 Software.....Mystic OS...........Linux/Ubuntu Access:..... First call LOCAL access only. Request upgrade for all nets. Real name required for Fido. Telnet.......orbitbbs.ddns.net:7210 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......The Positronium Repository FidoAddress..1:393/68 Phone........337-984-4794 Software.....POTS: WildCat + Telnet: Synchronet OS...........Windows XP C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to most of BBS upon finishing new user questionnaire Telnet.......cmech.dynip.com www:.........http://cmech.dynip.com Notes........Access to live File Areas only, over 37,000 files at 13GB in library ;-) Home for BFDS, APOD (BBS is Filebase.BBS) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......<<Prism BBS FidoAddress..1:261/38 Phone........607-200-4076 Software.....BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-3 OS...........Linux (Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS) C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, file areas, all features of the BBS. Telnet.......filegate.net:2030 telnet access offers full features of the standard bbs such as doors, qwkmail, BWmail,Files, chat, group chat, upload/download messages, download URLs, ftp access to other sites by request. www:.........http://www.filegate.net:8090/bbbs or http://www.filegate.net/ for files only. FREQ: filegate.net:24554 (binkD server) or from 1:261/38 (BBBS server) Notes .......web interface is limited to reading messages and replying online, or downloading messages in qwk packets, file download access. Home of IFDC FileGate Project, PDN, Util*Net, Win_FDN. Note the change to the www port. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Roach Guts BBS FidoAddress..1:396/60 Software.....Mystic BBS 1.10 A38 OS...........Debian 6.0 32-bit C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files and message reading. Message posting requires validation. Telnet.......kingcoder.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Shenk's Express FidoAddress..1:275/100 Phone........757-233-9860 Software.....SBBS OS...........WIN XP C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access Telnet.......shenks.synchro.net Notes........This site is the coordinator for Battlenet, a large BRE league with 7 BRE games. Also hosting 2 FE league games. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Stepping Stone BBS FidoAddress..1:298/25 Software.....Synchronet OS...........Linux/Ubuntu C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files, and message reading. HQ of Whisper-Echo-Net and Legion! Telnet.......vintagebbsing.com:23 FTP..........vintagebbsing.com:21 WWW..........vintagebbsing.com:81 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......The Thunderbolt BBS FidoAddress..1:19/33 Software.....Synchronet OS...........Windows 7 Professional C/B Verify...New User Feedback on where users heard about the bbs, and what users are looking for, plus enter a code that will be emailed to the user. what they're looking for in it. Access.......Limited Downloads, Message Areas and Doorgames until after New User Data is reviewed. Once upgraded, full privileges. Ham Radio Operators and Visiting Sysops are eligible for additional access level upgrades, with proof of an amateur radio license, or of data for their BBS. Telnet.......tbolt.synchro.net WWW..........tbolt.synchro.net Notes:.......The BBS is offline whenever thunderstorms threaten, or are in the central Arkansas area. Contact The Sysop via the FEEBACK link at the Matrix Logon. Leave full name and email, if a reply is desired. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Time Warp of the Future BBS FidoAddress..1:340/400 Phone........none Software.....sbbs 3.17a (very beta) OS...........win. 7 sp1 C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, and file areas. Telnet.......time.synchro.net:24 or time.darktech.org:24 telnet access offers full features of the standard bbs such as doors, messages or file area etc. www:.........http://time.synchro.net:81 Notes........Web interface is limited really to reading messages and replying online, or downloading messages in qwk packets, but not uploading them, and file download access. SBBS files available. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......War Ensemble BBS FidoAddress..1:154/30 Software.....Synchronet OS...........Linux (CentOS 7 and Gentoo) C/B Verify...None Access.......Full access on your first call. Doors, Messages, Files, everything. Please don't abuse it! Telnet.......warensemble.com SSH..........warensemble.com Dial-up......920.840.6311 FTP..........Full anonymous download access! No limits! NNTP.........Full access for all members Gopher.......Full access for all members (not that anyone has a gopher client now days) WWW..........http://www.warensemble.com message reading/posting available via the web! About........War Ensemble has been around in one form or another since 1993. There are loads of door games online, hundreds of thousands of files, and hundreds of message areas. The sysop is more than happy to answer any questions, or add anything you would like to see! Come check us out! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= FIDOGAZETTE Vol 13 No 28 Page 6 July 10th, 2019 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= M O R E I N F O R M A T I O N ================================================================= More Information about the FidoGazette: Fidogazette is published by Janis Kracht, Editor. If you have an idea for a column or a series of articles, please contact me :) Subscriptions: Mailing-List subscriptions via http://www.filegate.net/sub.html Or you can always link into your uplink and use Tick or a tick compatible program. Where to Send Your Articles Unlike most editors, I surely do not mind running my mouth when there is a sparsity of articles for the 'zine. I'd MUCH rather you sent in material... lacking that, I will fill these issues with my meanderings and thoughts and hopefully we will grow into something of consequence here :) Write an article! If you WOULD like to submit an article, feel free to drop your article off at: Email attach to address: janis @ filegate.net Fidonet attach: Janis Kracht at 1:261/38 Modem: 607-200-4076 Binkp: 1:261/100 filegate.net port 24555 telnet mailer: filegate.net If you are using routed Fidonet mail, don't send articles as routed attaches. They may fail somewhere along the path before getting here. Send them instead in the body of your routed netmail to janis@filegate.net Give it a title, sign your name and network address if you have one or your email address and send it along! Don't worry about the format, I can take anything you send me and mutilate it further as you can see above. Linux is nice that way (g). Spell checking your own work will help though (something I'm typically guilty of (g)). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Location of Earlier Issues on the Web: You can read single past issues here: http://www.filegate.net/fidogaz/fidogaz.htm This link includes all issues from Volume 1 Number 1, Sept. 30th 2007, through the present. You can download archived earlier issues here: http://www.filegate.net/fidogazette/ Again, all issues from Volume 1 Number 1 through the present are here. FIDOGAZETTE Vol 13 No 28 Page 7 July 10th, 2019 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Published with MakeNews2 by Janis Kracht 2011-2012 -=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=+-=