T h e F i d o G a z e t t e Volume 12 Number 18 May 02, 2018 +--------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | .----------------------. | dr.debug: dr.debug @ filegate.net | | | A Weekly E-Zine | | bbslist: bbslist @ filegate.net | | | published by Fidonet | | articles: fidogazette @ filegate.net| | | to promote BBSing | +----------------------------------------+ | | ____________. | | | | / __ |"Anyone who has never made a mistake | | | / / \ | has never tried anything new." | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | Albert Einstein | | \_______\(_| /_) | | | \@/ \ | Got Something To Say? | | .---.\ _ | Say it in the | | (jk) _ |usb| \ \\ | =The FidoGazette= | | / | .___. \ ))| | | / | /_ | / \// | Editor: Janis Kracht | | |___| // || _\ / | janis @ filegate . net | | .--`-. (_|(_|(____/ | janis kracht 1:261/38 | | |____| (jm) | | +--------------------------+----------------------------------------+ Table Of Contents Editorial .............................. 2 Humor .................................. 3 Zone 1 Coordinator Election Rules ...... 4 Reports: This week's Echomail Statistics ....... 5 This week's FileGate File Report ....... 6 Fidonet SoftWare List ................. 7 FidoGazette BBS List .................. 8 More Information ....................... 9 FIDOGAZETTE Vol 12 No 18 May 02, 2018 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================ E D I T O R I A L ================================================================ The election for a new Zone 1 Coordinator will start on May 7, 2018. Please see the published schedule in the echos below, or in this issue. Andrew Leary and the rest of our Z1 Regional Coordinators have drawn up a voting procedure document and have posted it in the Z1C echo, and Z1_ELECTION echo. The Z1_ELECTION echo is the place where the election will take place. Thank you once again to Andrew and all the Zone 1 RCs who have worked on this. Thank you _also_ to Phil Kimble, 1:128/2 and Fred Riccio, 1:132/174, for taking on the Vote Counter and Vote Verifier positions respectively. Best of luck to all candidates, whoever you may be - I feel good about this and look forward to welcoming our new Z1C :) FIDOGAZETTE Vol 12 No 18 Page 2 May 02, 2018 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================ H U M O R ================================================================ This one is from one of my users, Dave Drum. Thanks once again Dave :) == This would be even funnier if it weren't so true. The IRS returned a tax return to a man in New Jersey after he apparently answered one of the questions incorrectly. In response to question 23: "Do you have anyone dependent on you?", the man wrote: "2.1 million illegal immigrants, 1.1 million crack-heads, 4.4 million unemployable scroungers, 80,000 criminals in over 85 prisons, plus 650 idiots in Washington, and the entire group that call themselves politicians". On the returned form, someone at the IRS had attached a Post-it Note beside the question with an arrow and the words: "Your response to question 23 is unacceptable." The man sent it back to the IRS with his response on the bottom of the Post It Note: "Who did I leave out?" FIDOGAZETTE Vol 12 No 18 Page 3 May 02, 2018 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================ A R T I C L E S ================================================================ fido.Z1C message #2149 from Andrew Leary to All. Entered on 2nd May, 2018 at 08:36, 173 lines. Subject: IMPORTANT: Z1C Election Rules REVISED ============================================== * Originally in Z1C * Crossposted in Z1_ELECTION Hello everybody! === Cut === 02-May-2018 ZONE 1 COORDINATOR (Z1C) ELECTION RULES ============================================ RULES FOR CONDUCT OF THE Z1C ELECTION, 2018 * Schedule: May 07 - May 20 Nominations accepted. Discussion begins. May 20 - Nominations END at 23:59:59 UTC. May 21 - Final list of candidates posted in Z1_ELECTION. Discussion continues. May 27 - Discussion ends. Candidates stop campaigning. May 28 - Voting begins. Jun 10 - Voting ends at 23:59:59 UTC. Jun 11 - Results posted in Z1_ELECTION. Jun 11 - Jun 24 Opportunity to yell fowl and fix errors. Jun 25 - Final results announced. Jun 25 - Jun 28 Turnover from outgoing ZC to winning candidate. Jun 29 - New ZC appears in the nodelist and begins work. * Position to be Elected: The election is for the position of Zone 1 Coordinator (Z1C). The responsibilities of the Z1C include but are not limited to: -- To compile the nodelists from all of the regions in the zone, and create the master nodelist and difference file. -- To represent Zone 1 on the Zone Coordinator Council. -- See Policy 4 for further details. * Voter Eligibility: The eligible list is based on the Zone 1 segment of the FidoNet NodeList published on Friday, May 4, 2018 (Day 124.) Each sysop has one vote, regardless of how many nodes s/he operates. Nodes with more than one sysop get only one vote. Nodes marked 'Down' are not eligible to vote. * Nominations, Candidates: Nominations will be placed in the Z1_ELECTION echo conference. To be a candidate, a FidoNet sysop must be a current member of Zone 1, and be seconded by another FidoNet sysop. In addition, due to the technical nature of the position, current or previous *C experience is required. An individual may not nominate himself or second himself. Nominations, seconds, and acceptances MUST be confirmed via netmail to the Enforcer at 1:128/2 BEFORE the close of the nomination period. * Election: At the close of balloting, the Enforcer will send all ballots to the Verifier to verify the results, and a summary of the results will be posted in Z1_ELECTION. The Enforcer will not disclose any node's vote to any other node, except for the Verifier. In the event only there is only one candidate properly nominated s/he will become the new Zone 1 Coordinator, effective May 25, 2018. * Comments by the Candidates: Comments by Z1C candidates are to be posted in Z1_ELECTION no later than 23:59:59 UTC on May 27. After that, they must STOP campaigning in Z1_ELECTION until the voting period ends. All discussion will take place in Z1_ELECTION. * Who Wins? The winner will be determined as the candidate receiving more than half of the number of valid votes, otherwise known as an absolute majority. In the event no candidate receives an absolute majority, the Enforcer will schedule a run-off election between the top vote getters. * Challenges, Election Results: The results may be challenged by sending netmail to the Enforcer at 1:128/2. It must be received before 23:59:59 UTC on Jun 24, 2018. No complaints or contested votes will be considered if received late. The Enforcer has the final say in all matters relating to the election, including the eligibility of candidates and/or voters. If the election is declared invalid, a new election shall begin as soon as possible, within 14 days of the previous election being declared invalid. * How to SEND your vote: ALL BALLOTS MUST BE NETMAIL ADDRESSED TO 'Enforcer' at 1:128/2. You can route your ballot if you choose, but if you value your privacy and want to ensure arrival, you should send it directly to 1:128/2. Return receipts will be sent via direct or routed netmail. Those return receipts will contain NO information except that a vote was received from your node. * HOW TO VOTE: - Write a a NETMail message addressed to 'Enforcer' at 1:128/2. - Subject line doesn't matter. - Write the name of the valid candidate you want to vote for in the body of the message. A final list of valid candidates will be posted on May 21 in Z1_ELECTION. Write-in candidates are not allowed. - Make up a password of ten (10) characters or less, and put that in the body of the message too. NOTE: Your password will be displayed (case insensitive) with your choice in Z1_ELECTION so you can know that your ballot was counted correctly. In addition, votes received that do not meet ALL of the above conditions will not be counted until corrected by the voter. * SAMPLE BALLOT: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | Date: May 28 2018 11:09 | | From: Joe Sysop, 1:320/999 | | To: Enforcer, 1:128/2 | | Subj: My vote | | -------------------------------------------- | || | | | My password is Hoochie | | | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - When your vote is received, it will NOT be machine-processed. Don't poll to pick up a receipt. The Enforcer will send a direct or routed netmail receipt to you confirming that he received a ballot but there will be no other information in the receipt. To ensure that your vote was counted properly, you may check the periodic posting of passwords/candidates in Z1_ELECTION. Thank you to Phil Kimble (1:128/2) for agreeing to serve as the Enforcer, and Fred Riccio (1:132/174) for agreeing to serve as the Verifier. * That's it. Enjoy the election! === Cut === The RCs have made a few minor changes to clarify things and ensure that the election runs smoothly. As of now, the election is in the hands of the Enforcer, Phil Kimble of 1:128/2. Please contact him with any questions. Regards, Andrew -@- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20170303 ! 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FIDOGAZETTE Vol 12 No 18 Page 6 May 02, 2018 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= F I D O N E T S O F T W A R E L I S T ================================================================= ================================================================= FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= BBS Software List Updated 2018-04-17 Maintained by Andrew Leary (1:320/219) Editors Emeritus: Robert Couture, Janis Kracht, Sean Dennis M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility #=Info F=TIC/SRIF Processor *=Software is available and may be registerable, but no longer supported or updated. @=Website is operating but is no longer updated. ?=Software's updating/support status is unknown. O=Software is open source. This list contains BBS-related software that is available for registration (not necessarily supported), open source software and actively developed/supported software by its author. Software listed may be available for DOS, Linux, OS/2 (eComStation), Windows (16 or 32 bit) and OSX. .- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -. |Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node| `- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -' ==> FRONT-END/INTERNET MAILERS Argus |MI*? |http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products | | /argus/ | | v3.210 on 2001-03-29 BinkleyTerm XE |MO* |http://btxe.sourceforge.net | | 2.60XE Beta-XH7 on 2000-10-22 BinkD |MI? |http://binkd.grumbler.org | | gul@gul.kiev.ua 2:463/68 | | v.1.0.4 | | v.1.1a-96 (alpha) | | ftp://cvs.happy.kiev.ua/pub/fidosoft | | /mailer/binkd/ | |http://www.filegate.net/r50/aftnbinkd/ D'Bridge |MTCPE|http://www.net229.org/dbridge.htm |I | 1:1/130 Nick Andre | | v3.99 SR 24 on 2018-04-16 FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.datenbahn.dd-dns.de/ | | cdp/fp_deluxe/ | | v2.4 on 2003-09-26 FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MITPC|http://www.defsol.se 2:20/4609 Definite Solutions |E | sales@defsol.se | | FD v2.33ml, FD/APX v1.15 InterMail |MCPE |http://www.Intermail.net 1:220/60 Dale Barnes | | dalebarnes42@majik.net | | IM v2.60 on 2017-08-28 Husky Project |MTPUI|http://husky.sourceforge.net/ |EO? | v1.9 RC2 on 2010-04-20 Taurus |MI |http://www.fidotel.com/public/forums/ (based on Radius) |? | taurus/index.htm | | v5.0 on 2006-06-12 | | T-Mail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru (Russian only) |? | v2608 on 2001-12-12 AfterShock |MTEI |https://play.google.com/store/apps/ Asvcorp | | details?id=com.asvcorp.aftershock Anatoly Vdovichev | | rudi.timmer@gmx.us 2:292/140 Rudi Timmermans | | v1.6.6 on 2017-11-05 HotDogEd |E |https://play.google.com/store/apps/ Sergey Pushkin | | details?id=com.pushkin.hotdoged | | v2.13.5 on 2017-03-13 2:5020/2141 HotDogEd FidoNet |MTI |https://play.google.com/store/apps/ Provider | | details?id=com.pushkin.hotdoged.fido Sergey Pushkin | | v2.13.5 on 2017-03-13 2:5020/2141 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> MAIL TOSSERS Crashmail II |TO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net/ | | crashmail.html FastEcho |T |http://www.softeq.de/old/Products | | /FastEcho/fastecho.html | | v1.46.1 on 2007-11-13 | | Registration keys are free & available | | by request from the author Fidogate |TUI? |http://www.fidogate.org | | v4.4.10 on 2004-08-27 | | FMail |TO |https://sourceforge.net/projects/fmail/ | | v2.0.1.4 on 2017-04-21 InterEcho |T |http://www.Intermail.net 1:220/60 Dale Barnes | | dalebarnes42@majik.net | | IE 1.20 on 2017-08-28 JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de (ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on 2000-01-01 Squish |T* |http://www.filegate.net/maximus_bbs/ | | v1.11R2 on 2009-01-01 | | Source code available in Maximus BBS | | archive: http://maximus.sourceforge.net WWIVToss |T |http://www.weather-station.org/wwiv/ | | v1.51 on 2015-05-23 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> BBS SOFTWARE BBBS |BICTM|http://www.bbbs.net 2:22/222 | | b@bbbs.net | | v4.01 on 2007-01-28 EleBBS |BO*? |http://www.elebbs.com | | v0.10.RC1 on 2002-06-09 Enthral BBS |B |http://enthralbbs.com 1:250/501 Linux/BSD/OSX | | v0.429/Alpha on 2010-10-14 | | Fidonet filebone SCENEENT Ezycom BBS |BT* |http://www.ezycom-bbs.com 3:690/682 | | v2.15g2 on 2009-11-16 GT Power |B |http://www.gtpowerbbs.com/ | | v19.00 Hermes II Project |BT |http://www.hermesbbs.com/ Macintosh-based | | malyn@strangegizmo.com | | v3.5.10b3 Maximus BBS |BO* |http://www.filegate.net/maximus_bbs/ | | v3.03 | | Source code available at: | | http://maximus.sourceforge.net/ MBSE BBS |BMTFI|http://sourceforge.net/projects/mbsebbs |PO | ajleary@sourceforge.net | | v1.0.7 on 2017-03-23 Meltdown BBS |UIO |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/ | | v1.0b on 2004-04-26 Mystic BBS |BMTCE|http://www.mysticbbs.com |IO | v1.12 A32 on 2017-05-04 NiKom BBS (Amiga) |BO |http://www.nikom.org | | v2.3.1 on 2017-07-01 RemoteAccess BBS |B? |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120 | | bfmorse@rapro.com | | v2.62.2SW Renegade BBS |B |http://renegadebbs.info 1:129/305 | | v1.10/DOS on 2009-10-03 Spitfire BBS |B? |http://www.buffalocrk.com/ | | mdwoltz@buffalocrk.com | | v3.7 on 2010-01-01 Synchronet BBS |BTIO |http://www.synchro.net 1:103/705 | | v3.16c on 2015-08-15 Telegard BBS |B* |http://www.telegard.net | | v3.09g2-sp4/mL on 1999-12-19 WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com Xpress: Santronics | | Software, Inc. | | v7.0 AUP 454.5 on 2016-06-23 WWIV BBS |B |http://www.wwivbbs.org | | v5.00 on 2015-12-14 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> TIC PROCESSORS/FILEFIX/SRIF Allfix |FIUT |http://www.allfix.com/ 1:140/12 Bob Seaborn | | v6.0.22 on 2011-01-26 NEF/pk |F |http://nefpk.8m.com/ | | v2.45b2 on 2000-03-05 TinyTIC |FO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net | | /tinytic.html | | 1:120/544 VIReq |FO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net | | /vireq.html | | 1:120/544 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> BBS DOORS/UTILITIES Cheepware |DU |http://outpostbbs.net/cheepware.html Sean Dennis | | sysop@outpostbbs.net 1:18/200 | | Fidonet filebone CH-WARE DDS (Doorware |D@ |http://www.doorgames.org Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org Ruth Argust | | Jibben Software |D* |http://www.jibbensoftware.com/ | | bbs-door-games.cfm | | scott@jibben.com | | 1995-99 Release dates John Dailey Software |DU |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com Shining Star |D* |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ | | nannette@shiningstar.net | | Doors are registerable via website Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com | | Tel: (404) 256-9518 T1ny's Software |DU |http://www.tinysbbs.com/files/tsoft/ Shawn Highfield | | shighfield@gmail.com 1:229/452 | | Fidonet filebone CH-WARE The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ | | stanley@brainex.com | | 1994-99 Releases Trade Wars |D* |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ | | jpritch@eisonline.com | | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002 Vagabond Software |DU* |http://vbsoft.dhakota.org | | d@dhakota.org | | Last update: 2008-04-11 WWIVEdit |DE |http://www.weather-station.org/wwiv/ | | v3.0 on 2011-06-27 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> POINT SOFTWARE CrossPoint (XP) |P? |http://www.crosspoint.de (German only) | | pm@crosspoint.de | | v3.12d on 1999-12-22 FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de (German only) | | support@freexp.de | | v3.42 on 2010-06-27 FidoIP |PO |http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki | | /fidoip/ | | v.1.0.5 on 2010-12 OpenXP |PIO |https://sourceforge.net/projects | | /openxp5/ 2:240/2188.31 | |http://openxp.uk Windows/Linux | | dev@openxp.uk English/German | | v5.0.28 on 2016-09-10 WinPoint |P? |http://www.winpoint.org | | English/German/Spanish | | v5 (Beta Release) on 2017-03-17 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> SYSOP MAIL EDITORS GoldEd+ |EO |http://golded-plus.sourceforge.net/ | | v1.1.5 (Snapshot) on 2015-11-30 | | NOTE: Unstable versions released often SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de 2:2476/493 | | v1.15 on 1999-12-15 | | Website is in German and English +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> INTERNET UTILITIES Ifmail |UIO |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net | | crosser@average.org Internet Rex |UI? |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/ | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806 | | v2.29 on 2001-10-21 JamNNTPd |UIO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net | | /jamnntpd.html | | 1:120/544 Luckygate |UO | ftp://happy.kiev.ua/pub/fidosoft/gate | | /lgate | | gul@gul.kiev.ua MakeNL |UO |http://makenl.sourceforge.net | | v3.4.6 on 2016-12-01 RNtrack |U |http://sourceforge.net/projects | | /ftrack-as 2:5080/102 | |stas_degteff@users.sourceforge.net | | v1.32 on 2011-04-29 TransNet |UIO? |http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mressl/ | | transnet/index.html | | transnet@ressl.com.ar | | v2.11 on 2007-09-13 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> INFORMATIONAL WEBSITES/BBS LISTS Telnet/Dialup BBS |# |http://www.telnetbbsguide.com 1:275/89 Guide | | Maintained by Dave Perrussel | | This is probably the most updated BBS | | list on the Internet for a general | | BBS list. Synchronet BBS List |# |http://www.synchro.net/sbbslist.html | | Maintained automatically | | This list is specifically for | | Synchronet-based BBS systems and is | | automatically updated nightly. The BBS Corner |# |http://www.bbscorner.com | | This website is more than just files, | | it's an encyclopedia of knowledge for | | BBS sysops and people who want to | | become sysops. This site is run by | | the same person who does the Telnet | | BBS Guide. +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ File Archives: http://archives.thebbs.org http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org (site is no longer maintained) http://www.simtel.net http://www.bbsfiles.com http://hobbes.nmsu.edu (OS/2 specific) http://www.filegate.net/ (FTP access via port 60721) http://www.tinysbbs.com/files/ Note: Most also provide FTP access (use ftp instead of http above) The BBS Software List is published weekly in the FidoNews. If you have corrections, suggestions or additions to the information above, please contact Andrew Leary with your information via the FIDONEWS echo or netmail at 1:320/219. FIDOGAZETTE Vol 12 No 18 Page 7 May 02, 2018 ----------------------------------------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= !!! G A Z E T T E B B S L I S T !!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-= By bbslist @ filegate.net Send updates, changes to address above or to janis @ filegate.net. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......BlackICE BBS FidoAddress..2:240/8001 Software.....Mystic OS...........Win 7 Ultimate 32Bit C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files, and message reading. Also access to the Newscenter with News, Weatherupdates, Twitter-access and many more. Message posting and downloads requires sysop validation. Fido write-access only with realname. Telnet.......blackice.bbsindex.com Telnet/SSH...blackice.bbsindex.com:22 FTP..........Available for all BBS-Members NNTP.........Available for all BBS-Members (Fido readonly) WWW..........www.blackicebbs.de.vu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Capitol City Online FidoAddress..1:2320/105 Phone........502-875-8938 Software.....GT Power OS...........OS/2 C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to most of BBS upon finishing new user questionnaire Telnet.......capcity2.synchro.net telnet access to GT Power BBS - same as dial-up www:.........http://capcity2.synchro.net Notes:.......This site runs Synchronet under linux. Requires separate user registration. Has same message areas as dial-up/telnet bbs. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Castle Rock BBS FidoAddress..1:317/3 Software.....Mystic BBS OS...........Linux Access.......Access granted with use of Auto-Verifier. Users must supply REAL name in order to access Fido message group. Telnet.......bbs.castlerockbbs.com Notes........Almost 2500 message areas, with over 1 million messages online. Multiple file networks, with many new files coming in daily. Large assortment of classic software available. Many door games, both local and InterBBS available. Testing site for Galactic Dynasty and Legion RPG door games. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Christian Fellowship FidoAddress..1:266/512 Phone........1-856-933-7096 Software.....PCBoard 15.3 OS...........Windows XP pro C/B Verify...Manually via email or voice usually within 24 hours. Access.......Read only until verified. Once verified write access to Msg bases, file areas, chat and doors/games. Telnet.......cfbbs.dtdns.net or cfbbs.no-ip.com Available on port 23 or port 26 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Doc's Place BBS Online FidoAddress..1:123/140 Software.....Wildcat 5.42 OS...........Windows 7 pro Access.......Read only until sysop verified. Telnet/Web:..http://www.docsplace.org/ http: .......bbs.docsplace.org telnet: .....bbs.docsplace.org:26 ftp: ........bbs.docsplace.org:21 Notes .......Instant access QWK via web browser** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Cyberia BBS FidoAddress..1:106/324 Software.....Mystic v1.10 OS...........Debian Wheezy C/B Verify...N/A Access.......Full Access on First Call. Aliases allowed, Real Name required for Fidonet Access Telnet.......cyberia.darktech.org FTP..........cyberia.darktech.org Notes........HQ and support for Gryphon's Mystic MPL Mods. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Laser BBS FidoAddress..2:250/5 Software.....MBSE v1.0.x OS...........Debian 8 Jessie C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files, and message reading Telnet.......mbse.laserbbs.co.uk:2323 SSH..........no WWW..........mbse.laserbbs.co.uk FTP..........no FREQ.........BinkP or ifcico Notes........FidoNet, FSXNet, LinuxNet, SportNet, FMLYNet, VKRADIO =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Lightning BBS FidoAddress..1:311/2 Software.....Virtual Advanced OS...........Windows XP C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files and message reading. Message posting requires validation. Telnet.......lightningbbs.com www:.........http:/www.lightningbbs.com/index.php Thanks to VADV-PHP you can access almost everything the BBS has to offer from the web, with the exception of door games. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......LiveWire BBS FidoAddress..1:2320/100 Software.....Winserver 7 (Wildcat) OS...........Windows 7 Ultimate C/B Verify...WS Verify / Telnet verification via E-Mail Access.......Strict verification through WS Verify will give limited access. Extended access granted after sysop reveiw of New User Informaiton Telnet.......livewirebbs.com SSH..........none WWW..........livewirebbs.com FTP..........livewirebbs.com NNTP.........livewirebbs.com MS Exchange..livewirebbs.com (testing Echos as folders) FREQ.........BinkP or telnet mailer Notes........Filegate distribution point. Offer internet to other sysops via nntp or fts transport. Have mean live scrabble game. Play in real time multiplayer or in tournament mode. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Omicron Theta FIDOAddress..1:116/18 Software.....Wildcat! 7.0 OS...........Windows Server 2008 Standard C/B Verify...None Access.......Full access first call. Telnet.......winserver.us WWW..........winserver.us Notes........Fido host for WILDCAT!_SUPPORT and JAZZ echomail areas. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Orbit BBS FidoAddress..1:123/400 Software.....Mystic OS...........Linux/Ubuntu Access:..... First call LOCAL access only. Request upgrade for all nets. Real name required for Fido. Telnet.......orbitbbs.ddns.net:7210 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......The Positronium Repository FidoAddress..1:393/68 Phone........337-984-4794 Software.....POTS: WildCat + Telnet: Synchronet OS...........Windows XP C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to most of BBS upon finishing new user questionnaire Telnet.......cmech.dynip.com www:.........http://cmech.dynip.com Notes........Access to live File Areas only, over 37,000 files at 13GB in library ;-) Home for BFDS, APOD (BBS is Filebase.BBS) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......<<Prism BBS FidoAddress..1:261/38 Phone........607-200-4076 Software.....BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-3 OS...........Linux (Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS) C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, file areas, all features of the BBS. Telnet.......filegate.net:2030 telnet access offers full features of the standard bbs such as doors, qwkmail, BWmail,Files, chat, group chat, upload/download messages, download URLs, ftp access to other sites by request. www:.........http://www.filegate.net:8080/bbbs or http://www.filegate.net/ for files only. FREQ: filegate.net:24554 (binkD server) or from 1:261/38 (BBBS server) Notes .......web interface is limited to reading messages and replying online, or downloading messages in qwk packets, file download access. Home of IFDC FileGate Project, PDN, Util*Net, Win_FDN =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Roach Guts BBS FidoAddress..1:396/60 Software.....Mystic BBS 1.10 A38 OS...........Debian 6.0 32-bit C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files and message reading. Message posting requires validation. Telnet.......kingcoder.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Shenk's Express FidoAddress..1:275/100 Phone........757-233-9860 Software.....SBBS OS...........WIN XP C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access Telnet.......shenks.synchro.net Notes........This site is the coordinator for Battlenet, a large BRE league with 7 BRE games. Also hosting 2 FE league games. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Stepping Stone BBS FidoAddress..1:298/25 Software.....Synchronet OS...........Linux/Ubuntu C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files, and message reading. HQ of Whisper-Echo-Net and Legion! Telnet.......vintagebbsing.com:23 FTP..........vintagebbsing.com:21 WWW..........vintagebbsing.com:81 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......TequilaMockingbird Online FidoAddress..1:266/404 Software.....Synchronet OS...........Windows Server 2008 C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to most of BBS upon finishing new user questionnaire Telnet.......tequilamockingbirdonline.net www:.........bbs.tequilamockingbirdonline.net Radio........radio.tequilamockingbirdonline.net:8010/live IRC..........irc.tequilamockingbirdonline.net Port: 6661-6670 SSL: 6697 NNTP.........news.tequilamockingbirdonline.net (Guest: Read Only) (Send netmail with username & PW for full access) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......The Thunderbolt BBS FidoAddress..1:19/33 Software.....Synchronet OS...........Windows 7 Professional C/B Verify...New User Feedback on where users heard about the bbs, and what users are looking for, plus enter a code that will be emailed to the user. what they're looking for in it. Access.......Limited Downloads, Message Areas and Doorgames until after New User Data is reviewed. Once upgraded, full privileges. Ham Radio Operators and Visiting Sysops are eligible for additional access level upgrades, with proof of an amateur radio license, or of data for their BBS. Telnet.......wx1der.dyndns.org WWW..........wx1der.dyndns.org Notes:.......The BBS is offline whenever thunderstorms threaten, or are in the central Arkansas area. Contact The Sysop via the FEEBACK link at the Matrix Logon. Leave full name and email, if a reply is desired. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Time Warp of the Future BBS FidoAddress..1:340/400 Phone........none Software.....sbbs 3.17a (very beta) OS...........win. 7 sp1 C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, and file areas. Telnet.......time.synchro.net:24 or time.darktech.org:24 telnet access offers full features of the standard bbs such as doors, messages or file area etc. www:.........http://time.synchro.net:81 Notes........Web interface is limited really to reading messages and replying online, or downloading messages in qwk packets, but not uploading them, and file download access. SBBS files available. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Top's Diamond Mine FidoAddress..1:120/323 Software.....ProBoard 2.17 OS...........Windows 7 C/B Verufy...None Telnet.......bbs.tdmonline.org www access...www.tdmonline.org/bbs www:.........www.tdmonline.org ftp..........ftp.tdmonline.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......War Ensemble BBS FidoAddress..1:154/30 Software.....Synchronet OS...........Linux (CentOS 7 and Gentoo) C/B Verify...None Access.......Full access on your first call. Doors, Messages, Files, everything. Please don't abuse it! Telnet.......warensemble.com SSH..........warensemble.com Dial-up......920.840.6311 FTP..........Full anonymous download access! No limits! NNTP.........Full access for all members Gopher.......Full access for all members (not that anyone has a gopher client now days) WWW..........http://www.warensemble.com message reading/posting available via the web! About........War Ensemble has been around in one form or another since 1993. There are loads of door games online, hundreds of thousands of files, and hundreds of message areas. The sysop is more than happy to answer any questions, or add anything you would like to see! Come check us out! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= FIDOGAZETTE Vol 12 No 18 Page 8 May 02, 2018 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= M O R E I N F O R M A T I O N ================================================================= More Information about the FidoGazette: Fidogazette is published by Janis Kracht, Editor. If you have an idea for a column or a series of articles, please contact me :) Subscriptions: Mailing-List subscriptions via http://www.filegate.net/sub.html Or you can always link into your uplink and use Tick or a tick compatible program. Where to Send Your Articles Unlike most editors, I surely do not mind running my mouth when there is a sparsity of articles for the 'zine. 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