T h e F i d o G a z e t t e Volume 10 Number 49 December 07, 2016 +--------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | .----------------------. | dr.debug: dr.debug @ filegate.net | | | A Weekly E-Zine | | bbslist: bbslist @ filegate.net | | | published by Fidonet | | articles: fidogazette @ filegate.net| | | to promote BBSing | +----------------------------------------+ | | ____________. | | | | / __ |"Anyone who has never made a mistake | | | / / \ | has never tried anything new." | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | Albert Einstein | | \_______\(_| /_) | | | \@/ \ | Got Something To Say? | | .---.\ _ | Say it in the | | (jk) _ |usb| \ \\ | =The FidoGazette= | | / | .___. \ ))| | | / | /_ | / \// | Editor: Janis Kracht | | |___| // || _\ / | janis @ filegate . net | | .--`-. (_|(_|(____/ | janis kracht 1:261/38 | | |____| (jm) | | +--------------------------+----------------------------------------+ Table Of Contents Quote of the Day ....................... 2 Editorial .............................. 3 FTSC Election News ......................4 This week's Echomail Statistics ....... 5 This week's FileGate File Report ....... 6 New/Returning SysOps ................... 7 Fidonet SoftWare List ................. 8 FidoGazette BBS List .................. 9 Information (How to Submit an Article).. 10 FIDOGAZETTE Vol 10 No 49 December 07, 2016 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================ Quote of the Day ================================================================ Maybe Christmas, the Grinch thought, doesn't come from a store. ~Dr. Seuss FIDOGAZETTE Vol 10 No 49 Page 2 December 07, 2016 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================ E D I T O R I A L ================================================================ Some news of the week: The FTSC election continues with regional votes from RCs being collected in the ftsc_public echo. See the article for the current list of candidates, publically posted votes from RCs so far, and a sample voting form if you cannot find it elsewhere (FTSC_PUBLIC echo). You can send the voting form to your RC, check your netmail, or regional echos for instructions as to how your RC wants you to vote, as only RCs may vote. FIDOGAZETTE Vol 10 No 49 Page 3 December 07, 2016 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= A R T I C L E S ================================================================= FTSC Election Has Started. Here is an example Voting Form for the November 2016 FTSC Election: Candidate Node nr. Nmntd by Yes No ========= ========= ======== === === Nicholas Boel 1:154/10 RC28 [ ] [ ] Andrew Leary 1:320/119 RC20 [ ] [ ] mark lewis 1:3634/12 RC20 [ ] [ ] Richard Menedetter 2:310/31 RC24 [ ] [ ] Carol Shenkenberger 1:275/100 RC17 [ ] [ ] Voting started at Sunday 27 November 2016, 20:00 UTC. Voting ends Sunday, 11 Dec 2016, 20:00 UTC Note: All times above are UTC. Only RCs may vote. Please contact your RC, check your netmail or your Regional echo for instructions as to how to submit your choices to your RC for the candidates above. Your name, node number and a password may be requested by your RC to place your vote. Again, check your netmail from your RC or your Regional echo to get the details. Status of Election as of right now: ---------------------------------------------- | Name | Node nr | Yes| No | |----------------------|-------------|----|----| | | | | | | Nicholas Boel | 1:154/10 | 6 | 1 | | Andrew Leary | 1:320/119 | 6 | | | mark lewis | 1:3634/12 | 6 | 1 | | Richard Menedetter | 2:310/31 | 7 | | | Carol Shenkenberger | 1:275/100 | 6 | 1 | ---------------------------------------------- As of this writing, the following RCs have voted: Bob Seaborn RC17 Joe Delahaye RC12 Vince Coen RC25 Alex Barinov RC50 Andrew Leary RC16 Torsten Bamberg RC24 Ruedi Kneubuehler RC30 Keep Current, read the FTSC_PUBLIC echo! FIDOGAZETTE Vol 10 No 49 Page 4 December 07, 2016 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= Echomail Statistics ================================================================= Echomail Statistics Last 7 days By Janis Kracht, 1:261/38, janis@filegate.net Unsorted: Sorted: Percent: ======== ====== ======== 0 10TH_AMD 296 COOKING 11 1 AARP_FRAUD 212 FIDO-REQ 8 0 ABLED 195 FDN_ANNOUNCE 7 0 ADEPT_SYSOP 191 ALLFIX_FILE 7 0 AFTERSHOCK 173 WEATHER 6 0 ALASKA_CHAT 163 SYNC_SYSOPS 6 191 ALLFIX_FILE 156 STATS 6 1 ALLFIX_HELP 102 BBS_ADS 3 29 ALL-POLITICS 82 FN_SYSOP 3 0 AMATEUR_RADIO 81 BBS_PROMOTION 3 0 AMIGA 74 HOME_COOKING 2 4 ANTI_VIRUS 67 LINUX 2 9 ANTIQUES 55 HAM 2 0 AQUARIUM 53 SYNCHRONET 2 0 ARGUS 50 FMAIL_HELP 1 1 ARROWBRIDGE 45 RBERRYPI 1 1 ARTWARE 43 SYNCDATA 1 8 ASIAN_LINK 43 SHAREWARE_SUPPORT 1 0 AUTOMOTIVE 39 FIDO_SYSOP 1 0 BABYLON5 36 FIDONEWS 1 9 BAMA 29 ALL-POLITICS 1 1 BATPOWER 27 FTSC_PUBLIC 1 0 BBBS.ENGLISH 25 MBSE 0 0 BBS-SCENE 22 OTHERNETS 0 102 BBS_ADS 21 ECHO_ADS 0 2 BBS_CARNIVAL 18 ECHOLIST 0 81 BBS_PROMOTION 16 GOLDED 0 16 BBS_INTERNET 16 BBS_INTERNET 0 0 BIBLE 15 MYSTIC 0 5 BINKD 15 FIDOSOFT.HUSKY 0 0 BINKLEY 14 NHL 0 1 BLUEWAVE 10 IIHF 0 0 CATS_MEOW 10 FIDOGAZETTE 0 2 CBM 9 BAMA 0 0 CFORSALE 9 ANTIQUES 0 0 CLASSIC_COMPUTER 8 MINISTER 0 1 COFFEE_KLATSCH 8 ASIAN_LINK 0 1 COMM 7 PASCAL 0 0 CONSPRCY 6 ENGLISH_TUTOR 0 1 CONTROVERSIAL 5 WIN95 0 296 COOKING 5 TEAMOS2 0 0 CRAFT-BEADS 5 MOVIES 0 0 CROSSFIRE 5 JAMNNTPD 0 0 CYBER-DANGER 5 BINKD 0 0 DADS 4 RAILFAN 0 2 DBRIDGE 4 LS_ARRL 0 0 DC_UNIVERSE 4 FIDOTEST 0 0 DEBATE 4 ANTI_VIRUS 0 0 DOGHOUSE 3 WILDCAT!_SUPPORT 0 0 DOOM 3 PKEY_DROP 0 1 DOORGAMES 3 MAKENL_NG 0 1 DOS 2 SURVIVOR 0 1 DOS_INTERNET 2 RA_UTIL 0 0 DR 2 RA_SUPPORT 0 0 EC_SUPPORT 2 PUBLIC_KEYS 0 0 EC_UTIL 2 PASCAL_LESSONS 0 21 ECHO_ADS 2 MEMORIES 0 18 ECHOLIST 2 DBRIDGE 0 1 ECHOMODS 2 CBM 0 0 EDGE_ONLINE 2 BBS_CARNIVAL 0 1 ELIST 1 YAHOONEWS 0 1 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SB16-340 Vulnerability Total 109 files, 64 MB, 6 downloads, 6 hours. For a detailed listing of new files, please see the file http://www.filegate.net/info/nfiles.zip or http://www.filegate.net/info/files.zip for the complete listing of all files at 1:261/38. Files available via freq at 607-200-4076 Or freq at filegate.net via binkp standard port Or at http://www.filegate.net/ FIDOGAZETTE Vol 10 No 49 Page 6 December 07, 2016 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= New and Returning Sysops ================================================================= New or Returning SysOps this week: In the works! Region 11: Christopher Hal, Pikeville, KY Region 15: Mike Dee Phoenix, AZ Welcome guys :) FIDOGAZETTE Vol 10 No 49 Page 7 December 07, 2016 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= F I D O N E T S O F T W A R E L I S T ================================================================= ================================================================= FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= BBS Software List Updated 19 September 2016 Maintained by Andrew Leary (1:320/119) Editors Emeritus: Robert Couture, Janis Kracht, Sean Dennis M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility #=Info F=TIC/SRIF Processor *=Software is available and may be registerable, but no longer supported or updated. @=Website is operating but is no longer updated. ?=Software's updating/support status is unknown. O=Software is open source. This list contains BBS-related software that is available for registration (not necessarily supported), open source software and actively developed/supported software by its author. Software listed may be available for DOS, Linux, OS/2 (eComStation), Windows (16 or 32 bit) and OSX. .- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -. |Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node| `- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -' ==> FRONT-END/INTERNET MAILERS Argus |MI*? |http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/argus/ | | v3.210 on Mar 29 2001 BinkleyTerm XE |MO* |http://btxe.sourceforge.net | | 2.60XE Beta-XH7 on Oct 22 2000 BinkD |MI? |http://binkd.grumbler.org | | gul@gul.kiev.ua 2:463/68 | | v.1.0.4 | | v.1.1a-73 (alpha) | | ftp://cvs.happy.kiev.ua/pub/fidosoft/mailer | | /binkd/ | |http://www.filegate.net/r50/aftnbinkd/ D'Bridge |MTCPE|http://www.net229.org/dbridge.htm 1:1/130 Nick Andre |I | v3.99 SRA on Jun 11 2016 FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu 2:2432/280 Michael Haase | | m.haase@gmx.net | | v2.4 on Sep 26 2003 FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MITPC|http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330 Definite Solutions |? | sales@defsol.se | | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX Husky Project |MTPUI|http://husky.sourceforge.net/ |EO? | v1.9 RC2 on Apr 20 2010 Taurus |MI |http://www.fidotel.com/public/forums/ (based on Radius) |? | taurus/index.htm | | v5.0 Jun 12 2006 | | T-Mail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru (Russian only) |? | v2608 on Dec 12 2001 AfterShock |MTEI |https://play.google.com/store/apps/ Asvcorp | | details?id=com.asvcorp.aftershock Anatoly Vdovichev | | rudi.timmer@gmail.com 1:1/140 Rudi Timmermans | | v1.5 on Nov 10 2013 HotDogEd |E |https://play.google.com/store/apps/ Sergey Pushkin | | details?id=com.pushkin.hotdoged | | v2.11 on Jun 24 2015 HotDogEd FidoNet |MTI |https://play.google.com/store/apps/ Provider | | details?id=com.pushkin.hotdoged.fido Sergey Pushkin | | v2.11 on Jun 24 2015 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> MAIL TOSSERS Crashmail II |TO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net/ | | crashmail.html FastEcho |T |http://www.softeq.de/old/Products/FastEcho/ | | fastecho.html | | v1.46.1 on 13 Nov 2007 | | Registration keys are free and available | | by request from the author Fidogate |TUI? |http://www.fidogate.org | | v4.4.10 on Aug 27 2004 | | FMail |TO |https://sourceforge.net/projects/fmail/ | | v1.72.0.0 on Sep 18 2016 JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de (ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000 Squish |T* |http://www.filegate.net/maximus_bbs/ | | v1.11R2 on Jan 1 2009 | | Source code available in the Maximus BBS | | archive: http://maximus.sourceforge.net WWIVToss |T |http://www.weather-station.org/wwiv/ | | v1.51 on 23 May 2015 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> BBS SOFTWARE BBBS |BICTM|http://www.bbbs.net 2:22/222 | | b@bbbs.net | | v4.01 on January 28 2007 EleBBS |BO*? |http://www.elebbs.com | | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9 2002 Enthral BBS |B |http://enthralbbs.com 1:250/501 Linux/BSD/OSX | | v0.429/Alpha on 14 October 2010 | | Fidonet filebone SCENEENT Ezycom BBS |BT* |http://www.ezycom-bbs.com 3:690/682 | | v2.15g2 on Nov 16 2009 GT Power |B |http://www.gtpowerbbs.com/ | | v19.00 Hermes II Project |BT |http://www.hermesbbs.com/ Macintosh-based | | malyn@strangegizmo.com | | v3.5.10b3 Maximus BBS |BO* |http://www.filegate.net/maximus_bbs/ | | v3.03 | | Source code available at: | | http://maximus.sourceforge.net/ MBSE BBS |BMTFI|http://sourceforge.net/projects/mbsebbs |PO | ajleary@sourceforge.net | | v1.0.6 on Aug 3 2015 Meltdown BBS |UIO |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/ | | v1.0b on Apr 26 2004 Mystic BBS |BMTCE|http://www.mysticbbs.com |IO | http://sourceforge.net/projects/mysticbbs | | v1.11 on Nov 6 2015 RemoteAccess BBS |B? |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120 | | bfmorse@rapro.com | | v2.62.2SW Renegade BBS |B |http://renegadebbs.info 1:129/305 | | v1.10/DOS on 3 Oct 2009 Spitfire BBS |B? |http://www.buffalocrk.com/ | | mdwoltz@buffalocrk.com | | v3.7 on Jan 1, 2010 Synchronet BBS |BTIO |http://www.synchro.net 1:103/705 | | v3.16c on 15 Aug 2015 Telegard BBS |B* |http://www.telegard.net | | v3.09g2-sp4/mL on Dec 19 1999 WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com Xpress: Santronics | | Software, Inc. | | v7.0 AUP 454.5 on Jun 23 2016 WWIV BBS |B |http://www.wwivbbs.org | | v5.00 on Dec 14 2015 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> TIC PROCESSORS/FILEFIX/SRIF Allfix |FIUT |http://www.allfix.com/ 1:140/12 Bob Seaborn | | v6.0.22 on 26 January 2011 NEF/pk |F |http://nefpk.8m.com/ | | v2.45b2 on 5 March 2000 TinyTIC |FO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net/tinytic.html | | 1:120/544 VIReq |FO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net/vireq.html | | 1:120/544 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> BBS DOORS/UTILITIES Cheepware |DU |http://outpostbbs.net/cheepware.html Sean Dennis | | sysop@outpostbbs.net 1:18/200 | | Fidonet filebone CH-WARE DDS (Doorware |D@ |http://www.doorgames.org Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org Ruth Argust | | Jibben Software |D* |http://www.jibbensoftware.com/ | | bbs-door-games.cfm | | scott@jibben.com | | 1995-99 Release dates John Dailey Software |DU |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com Shining Star |D* |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ | | nannette@shiningstar.net | | Doors are still registerable via website Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com | | Tel: (404) 256-9518 T1ny's Software |DU |http://www.tinysbbs.com/files/tsoft/ Shawn Highfield | | shighfield@gmail.com 1:229/452 | | Fidonet filebone CH-WARE The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ | | stanley@brainex.com | | 1994-99 Releases Trade Wars |D* |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ | | jpritch@eisonline.com | | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002 Vagabond Software |DU* |http://vbsoft.dhakota.org | | d@dhakota.org | | Last update: Apr 11 2008 WWIVEdit |DE |http://www.weather-station.org/wwiv/ | | v3.0 on 27 Jun 2011 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> POINT SOFTWARE CrossPoint (XP) |P? |http://www.crosspoint.de (German only) | | pm@crosspoint.de | | v3.12d on Dec 22 1999 FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de (German only) | | support@freexp.de | | v3.42 on Jun 27 2010 FidoIP |PO |http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/fidoip/ | | v.1.0.5 on Dec 2010 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> SYSOP MAIL EDITORS GoldEd+ |EO |http://golded-plus.sourceforge.net/ | | v1.1.5 (Snapshot) on Nov 30 2015 | | NOTE: Unstable versions released often SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de 2:2476/493 | | v1.15 on Dec 15 1999 | | Website is in German and English +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> INTERNET UTILITIES Ifmail |UIO |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net | | crosser@average.org Internet Rex |UI? |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/ | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806 | | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001 JamNNTPd |UIO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net/jamnntpd.html | | 1:120/544 Luckygate |UO | ftp://happy.kiev.ua/pub/fidosoft/gate/lgate | | gul@gul.kiev.ua MakeNL |UO |http://makenl.sourceforge.net | | v3.4.5 on Nov 14 2014 RNtrack |U |hhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/ftrack-as | |2:5080/102 | |stas_degteff@users.sourceforge.net | | v1.32 on Apr 29 2011 TransNet |UIO? |http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mressl/ | | transnet/index.html | | transnet@ressl.com.ar | | v2.11 on Sep 13 2007 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ ==> INFORMATIONAL WEBSITES/BBS LISTS Telnet/Dialup BBS |# |http://www.telnetbbsguide.com 1:275/89 Guide | | Maintained by Dave Perrussel | | This is probably the most updated BBS | | list on the Internet for a general | | BBS list. Synchronet BBS List |# |http://www.synchro.net/sbbslist.html | | Maintained automatically | | This list is specifically for | | Synchronet-based BBS systems and is | | automatically updated nightly. The BBS Corner |# |http://www.bbscorner.com | | This website is more than just files, | | it's an encyclopedia of knowledge for | | BBS sysops and people who want to | | become sysops. This site is run by | | the same person who does the Telnet | | BBS Guide. +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ File Archives: http://archives.thebbs.org http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org (site is no longer maintained) http://www.simtel.net http://www.bbsfiles.com http://hobbes.nmsu.edu (OS/2 specific) http://www.filegate.net/ (FTP access via port 60721) http://www.tinysbbs.com/files/ Note: Most also provide FTP access (use ftp instead of http above) The BBS Software List is published weekly in the FidoNews. If you have corrections, suggestions or additions to the information above, please contact Andrew Leary with your information via the FIDONEWS echo or netmail at 1:320/119. FIDOGAZETTE Vol 10 No 49 Page 8 December 07, 2016 ----------------------------------------------------------------- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= !!! G A Z E T T E B B S L I S T !!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-= By bbslist @ filegate.net Send updates, changes to address above or to janis @ filegate.net. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......BlackICE BBS FidoAddress..2:240/8001 Software.....Mystic OS...........Win 7 Ultimate 32Bit C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files, and message reading. Also access to the Newscenter with News, Weatherupdates, Twitter-access and many more. Message posting and downloads requires sysop validation. Fido write-access only with realname. Telnet.......blackice.bbsindex.com Telnet/SSH...blackice.bbsindex.com:22 FTP..........Available for all BBS-Members NNTP.........Available for all BBS-Members (Fido readonly) WWW..........www.blackicebbs.de.vu =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Capitol City Online FidoAddress..1:2320/105 Phone........502-875-8938 Software.....GT Power OS...........OS/2 C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to most of BBS upon finishing new user questionnaire Telnet.......capcity2.synchro.net telnet access to GT Power BBS - same as dial-up www:.........http://capcity2.synchro.net This site runs Synchronet under linux. Requires separate user registration. Has same message areas as dial-up/telnet bbs. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Christian Fellowship FidoAddress..1:266/512 Phone........1-856-933-7096 Software.....PCBoard 15.3 OS...........Windows XP pro C/B Verify...Manually via email or voice usually within 24 hours. Access.......Read only until verified. Once verified write access to Msg bases, file areas, chat and doors/games. Telnet.......cfbbs.dtdns.net or cfbbs.no-ip.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Doc's Place BBS Online FidoAddress..1:123/140 Software.....Wildcat 5.42 OS...........Windows 7 pro Access.......Read only until sysop verified. Telnet/Web:..http://www.docsplace.org/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Cyberia BBS FidoAddress..1:106/324 Software.....Mystic v1.10 OS...........Debian Wheezy C/B Verify...N/A Access.......Full Access on First Call. Aliases allowed, Real Name required for Fidonet Access Telnet.......cyberia.darktech.org FTP..........cyberia.darktech.org Notes........HQ and support for Gryphon's Mystic MPL Mods. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Lightning BBS FidoAddress..1:311/2 Software.....Virtual Advanced OS...........Windows XP C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files and message reading. Message posting requires validation. Telnet.......lightningbbs.com www:.........http:/www.lightningbbs.com/index.php Thanks to VADV-PHP you can access almost everything the BBS has to offer from the web, with the exception of door games. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Lionsden BBS FidoAddress..1:224/303 Phone........613-392-8896 Software.....Synchronet OS...........Windows XP C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, and file areas. Telnet.......lionsden.darktech.org telnet access offers full features of the standard bbs such as doors, qwkmail, Files, etc. www:.........http:/www.lionsden.darktech.org You will redirected to a menu where you can choose one of three sites. The first one is private and requires PW to get into. FTP..........FTP://lionsden.darktech.org Files only =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Omicron Theta FIDOAddress..1:116/18 Software.....Wildcat! 7.0 OS...........Windows Server 2008 Standard C/B Verify...None Access.......Full access first call. Telnet.......winserver.us WWW..........winserver.us Notes........Fido host for WILDCAT!_SUPPORT and JAZZ echomail areas. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Outpost BBS FidoAddress..1:18/200 Software.....Maximus/2 v3.01 OS...........OS/2 Warp 4.52 C/B Verify...None Access.......Guest access is available. First call access to doors, files, and message reading. Posting requires sysop validation. Telnet.......bbs.outpostbbs.net WWW access...outpostbbs.net/goto.html (Requires HTML5-compatible browser) WWW..........outpostbbs.net FREQ.........BinkP or email (bbs@outpostbbs.net) Notes........Home of BBS_ADS, BBS_CARNIVAL, CLASSIC_COMPUTER, ECHO_ADS, HOME_COOKING, OTHERNETS and SLACKWARE Home of Cheepware BBS doors and sysop utilities =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Orbit BBS FidoAddress..1:123/400 Software.....Mystic Nodes........5 Telnet.......orbitbbs.ddns.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......The Positronium Repository FidoAddress..1:393/68[A Phone........337-984-4794 Software.....POTS: WildCat + Telnet: Synchronet OS...........Windows XP C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to most of BBS upon finishing new user questionnaire Telnet.......cmech.dynip.com www:.........http://cmech.dynip.com Access to live File Areas only, over 37,000 files at 13GB in library ;-) Home for BFDS, APOD (BBS is Filebase.BBS) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......<<Prism BBS FidoAddress..1:261/38 Phone........607-200-4076 Software.....BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Dada-2 OS...........Linux (Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS) C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, file areas, all features of the BBS. Telnet.......filegate.net telnet access offers full features of the standard bbs such as doors, qwkmail, BWmail,Files, chat, group chat, upload/download messages, download URLs, ftp access to other sites by request. www:.........http://www.filegate.net:8090/bbbs or http://www.filegate.net/ for files only. web interface is limited to reading messages and replying online, or downloading messages in qwk packets, file download access. Home of IFDC FileGate Project, PDN, Util*Net, Win_FDN FREQ: filegate.net:24554 or from 1:261/38 (phone modem) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Roach Guts BBS FidoAddress..1:396/60 Software.....Mystic BBS 1.10 A38 OS...........Debian 6.0 32-bit C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files and message reading. Message posting requires validation. Telnet.......kingcoder.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Shenk's Express FidoAddress..1:275/100 Phone........757-233-9860 Software.....SBBS OS...........WIN XP C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access Telnet.......shenks.synchro.net This site is the coordinator for Battlenet, a large BRE league with 7 BRE games. Also hosting 2 FE league games. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Stepping Stone BBS FidoAddress..1:298/25 Software.....Synchronet OS...........Linux/Ubuntu C/B Verify...None Access.......First call access to doors, files, and message reading. HQ of Whisper-Echo-Net and Legion! Telnet.......vintagebbsing.com:23 FTP..........vintagebbsing.com:21 WWW..........vintagebbsing.com:81 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......TequilaMockingbird Online FidoAddress..1:266/404 Phone........973-551-0704 Software.....Synchronet OS...........Windows Server 2008 C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to most of BBS upon finishing new user questionnaire Telnet.......tequilamockingbirdonline.net www:.........www.tequilamockingbirdonline.net (No access to bbs at this time.) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......The Thunderbolt BBS FidoAddress..1:19/33 Software.....Virtual Advanced OS...........Windows 7 Professional C/B Verify...New User Feedback on where users heard about the bbs, and what users are looking for, plus enter a code that will be emailed to the user. what they're looking for in it. Access.......Full Downloads, Limited Message Areas and Doorgames until after new user data is reviewed. Once upgraded, full privileges (Confirmed Visiting Sysops have access to additional message and file areas) Telnet.......wx1der.dyndns.org WWW..........wx1der.dyndns.org Notes: The BBS is offline whenever thunderstorms threaten, or are in the central Arkansas area. Contact the Sysop via the website link or go to: http://www.wx1der.com/fbk.htm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Time Warp of the Future BBS FidoAddress..1:340/400 Phone........none Software.....sbbs 3.17a (very beta) OS...........win. 7 sp1 C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, and file areas. Telnet.......time.synchro.net:24 or time.darktech.org:24 telnet access offers full features of the standard bbs such as doors, messages or file area etc. www:.........http://time.synchro.net:81 Web interface is limited really to reading messages and replying online, or downloading messages in qwk packets, but not uploading them, and file download access. SBBS files available. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= System.......Top's Diamond Mine FidoAddress..1:120/323 Software.....ProBoard 2.17 OS...........Windows 7 C/B Verufy...None Telnet.......bbs.tdmonline.org www access...www.tdmonline.org/bbswww:.........www.tdmonline.org ftp..........ftp.tdmonline.org FIDOGAZETTE Vol 10 No 49 Page 9 December 07, 2016 ----------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= I N F O R M A T I O N ================================================================= INFO: Fidogazette is published by Janis Kracht, Editor. If you have an idea for a column or a series of articles, please contact me :) New! Mailing-List subscriptions via http://www.filegate.net/sub.html but of course you can always link into your uplink and use Tick or a tick compatible program. 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