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Volume III number III May 2009 ======================================================================= Editorial:..................................................(1) New Members/In the Works/Returning Members.................(2) The Slightly Crusty Sysop..................................(3) The Old School Toolbox: Bots Part 3........................(4) FidoGazette BBS List.......................................(5) Dr.Debug Answers Your Questions............................(6) A hardy Net 261 Welcome....................................(7) Food.......................................................(7) The New Age Haunts Some....................................(8) Info (Where to Send Articles)..............................(9) Page 1 T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number IV June 2009 =================================================================== Editorial ========= Thanks to two people who are now contributing here and will be on a monthly basis, we have a crew of three writers now. That is something to me and I'm incredibly thankful to you fellows. Richard Webb is continuing his "ToolBox Series with Part #3", and this month Sean Dennis returns to the Gazette with his own by-line and column, see "Slightly Crusty SysOp", which I think is fantastic. I may not always agree with him but we agree often enough I think (smile) and I'm really happy to see him involved again! Who knows.. maybe I'll call his house when he's at work and get Maura involved when he's not looking (gd&r) Thanks to both of you, greatly appreciated! The GamesCorner had to take a break from including the Crossword Puzzle this month.. Didn't have the time to do the graphics for this issue. The puzzle is done though so it will be faster or the next issue :) Page 2 T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number IV June 2009 ================================================================= New & Returning Members ======================= By Janis Kracht New SysOps -- Welcome to Fidonet! ================================= No apps received. In the Works: ============= Region 11: Gordon Meyer ================================= Returning SysOps - Welcome Back! ================================ Region 13: Scott Knapp Region 18: Michael Aurelio The Slightly Crusty Sysop By Sean Dennis, 1:18/200 I guess I should introduce myself if you don't know who I am already. I'm Sean Dennis, the original editor of the FidoGazette and a longtime (over a decade now) Fidonet sysop. I'm also a former R11C. As the former FidoGazette editor, I was castigated by several of the Fidonet "elite" by daring to create an actual, useful newsletter for Fidonet instead of the empty and pathetic shell that Fidonews is now due to anti-American views of the uber-liberal and arrogant Zone 2 sysops. Not all Z2 sysops are complete jackasses, but it seems the few that are tend to be like a zit on your face on prom night: you know it's there, you want to take care of it, but you dare not do it lest someone else finds out and makes fun of you for doing so. So, I am back involved peripherally with the FidoGazette, providing an opinion column for the ol' FG, just because I can. As you can see, I'm quite opinionated, but I try to be fair with my opinions- meaning I treat everyone equally. My goal in this column is to bring Fidonet related issues to light and issues that are related to Fidonet, be it socially, politically, technically or round-about-ly. I'd like to thank the current editor of the FG, Janis Kracht, for letting me have a column in this fine publication (not that I'm biased or anything). The current issue that I'd like to poke a stick at is Fidonet's slow but eventual death due to the cancer within. As you can see by my rather blunt views above, perhaps a cloud of an idea may begin to form about the "cancer" I speak of. The Internet didn't kill Fidonet as Richard Webb so succinctly put it - Fidonet killed itself with its members' arrogance, pedantic ways and general rudeness. I've talked to several young and up-and-coming sysops who say they will never, ever join Fidonet. Why? Because Fidonet has a reputation for being a nasty place to be - unfriendly, cold and generally unpleasant. Now those of us who have been around in Fidonet for some time know that is not always the case, but it seems that we, Fidonet, have cultivated a maelstrom of unpleasantness that has seeped outside of the network and tarnished our collective reputation. If you've ever taken a look to see inside the FN_SYSOP and FIDONEWS echoes, you can see what I talk about. It's a culture war in those echoes and well, folks, the writing's on the wall -- if we don't change the pedantic and inane ways of some of the Fidonet "administration" as well as get rid of the undesired trash in Fidonet, someone's gonna have to turn the light off after everyone's gone. A lot of the unpleasant people have left Fidonet, but there are still quite a few -- more than our fair share's worth -- pedants hanging around. I'm not going to name names, of course, but you know who I'm talking about. Of course, if you talk to some people, I should be out of Fidonet, but hey, after twelve years, I really don't care what some people think. I seem to have plenty of Fidonet-friends in high and low places and I've learned to avoid such cesspools of filth (read: particular echoes). Seems to make my time reading mail a lot nicer too knowing that some dimwit isn't going to try to shove his verbal masturbation on me. But for all the nastiness, there are some bright spots in Fidonet. I know of several echoes that are pleasant, light-hearted and still a valuable place to gather online. Yes, Fidonet (and BBSing in general) doesn't offer the "instant gratification" that a lot of the younger Internet-weaned generation wants, but in a lot of ways, that's better. These kids wouldn't know their head from a hole in the ground...and we've got enough of those grown-up kids polluting our echoes as it is. What can we do about this cancer creeping in, killing Fidonet? Some suggestions: * Act our age, not our shoe size. * Remember the old saying "insert foot, echo internationally". * Agree to disagree. It's hard -- especially for me -- but it's got to be done if we're going to get along. * Remember that Fidonet is an exercise in anarchy and not in an oligarchy. * Together we stand, divided we fall, alone we make fools of ourselves. * Prove to the next generation of sysops that Fidonet is a good place to be and that it is worthy of their care and attention so it can live on for another quarter-century. * Show that the Internet is not the only place for social gathering that can be enjoyable. Anyhow, just my thoughts on this subject. If you'd like to give me your thoughts, please netmail me at 1:18/200 (preferred) or email me at sean@nsbbs.info with the subject of "Crusty Feedback". Oh...the column name? Well, it comes from the fact that as I've gotten older, I've begun to get a little crusty: more anti-social, more cynical and generally more of a malcontent with people. I don't really hate people -- I just think that people think of themselves too much and don't realize how they look in other people's eyes. Standard disclaimer: the views expressed in this column are of me, Sean Dennis, and not of the FidoGazette, its editorial staff nor anyone else (like anyone really would want to share the same views as me, right?). I assume all responsibility for screwing up facts, stretching the story a bit or just telling it like it is. Page 3 T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number IV June 2009 =================================================================== The Old School Toolbox By Richard Webb, 1:116/901 Bots, Pt III. In this installment we'll look at those that generate messages automatically. This is usually a sysop's first look at automation, other than areafix and the standard file request we've all come to know and appreciate. So, who needs additional automation over and above that provided by their favorite ftn mail processing? THe busy sysop that isn't around to check his board as often as he'd like to validate new users. THe echo moderator might wish to send updates to the echolist or other echo listing database, as well as post rules in the echo. I have a good fidonet friend who is an echo moderator. HE swears he'll never resort to automation to update his echo's listing with the echolist, and won't use it to post rules or send messages. HE feels that there are enough fidonet systems just chugging along on autopilot out there and his point is valid. YEt, for some of us, automation serves many purposes. SOme of the most common are: Posting statistics on a regular basis to a local or echomail area; Posting announcements or bulletins; Posting captured output of diagnostic or maintenance processes for later review. First let me give you a glimpse of how I use them, then we'll talk about some of the tools I use, and which tools I like for given applications. Of course I send my updates to the echolist without even being present. THey go out bright and early on the appointed day while I'm still snug in my bed. NO reminder needed, etc. I'm involved in a ham radio network which requires that net control stations turn in monthly reports of the hours they worked controlling the net, whom they handed off to, etc. My automation happily parses my station log files and sends said report to the net manager via email on the first day of each month, again while I'm tucked in my bed. I moderate four echoes. All four see rules postings on a regular basis, and all of these are done via automation. IF my machine saw an unscheduled reboot that indicates a power outage a message is sent to me. Also, when I'm away from home my system sends a couple of friends messages letting them know it's still alive and kicking. ONe friend knows that if I'm out of town and he doesn't see messages for two or three days he's to call one of two or three phone numbers and ask the party on the other end to please check out Richard's house. If you recall in the first part of this series I discussed some of my automatic response features that I've set up to run from artware's netmgr. ONe I mentioned was my nodelist lookup tool, good for that echo moderator who isn't a fidonet sysop (grin). THe nodelist lookup tool requires one of these automatic message posters to return the actual results to the requester. This is because the nodelist lookup batch could not run on a command shell from netmgr, as this batch requires copious use of environment variables, a lost resource to later windows users. Hence, the nodelist lookup requires that the batch which netmgr invokes on a command shell set up the autoposter to return the message to the proper individual at the right address. There were many tools developed back in the halcyon days of fidonet to accomplish automatic posting of messages. Some were bundled in with software developed for other purposes. OThers were stand alone programs designed specifically for this purpose. IN this installment of the toolbox we'll have a look at message posters only. All of these have one feature in common. THis is the ability to post any text file. some impose size limitations, and others have further limitations. FOr my applications I've found myself using more than one in the past. Just as your tool kit should contain a variety of wrenches and screwdrivers I've found that some autoposting tools are better suited to certain applications. SUre, you can use one of those adjustable wrenches for just about any nut, but if you're not careful with them or the vise grip type tools you can do damage to the fastener you're working with. HEnce, the proper wrench is always a better fit. In my earliest days as a fidonet sysop I discovered Harvey Parisien's robot, available from many systems still as robot600.zip which is quite versatile. Harvey's robot had several nice features, and I'd already registered my copy of professional point, so I became conversant with it fairly quickly. THe robot worked from standard text files and came with plenty of samples to show one how to utilize it. Harvey's robot required you to fire packets into your inbound or outbound directory however. IF you wanted the messages to show up in your message bases you would need to fire them into your inbound directory and show an address that your mail tosser would accept. I configured some dummy points in my private addition to the nodelist just for this purpose, and away we went. I soon figured out some of the limitations however. Harvey's robot works nicely with netmail and echomail, but local message areas on the bbs couldn't be touched by it without some kludging. Also, you had to build a robot configuration file for every job that you might want to use an autoposter for. Still I lumbered along in all my days of fidonet, using netmgr masks to toss inbound netmail from the robot to local message areas on the bbs when necessary. Still, I found myself with a whole directory of these little 2-4 line .h files. To make matters worse, my main batch file became quite unwieldy for days such as the first of the month with all these firings of the robot, the invocation of pktdate to fix y2k problems in Harvey's robot, and then an import round from my mail processor. THen because some of this was email through the gate and netmail I'd want netmgr to strip off the point address, so then the mail processor did a round of exporting, lather rinse repeat. ITs biggest weakness, and hence the unwieldy batch files was the fact that one couldn't use a different "from" name for every message. THOse little robot scripts all use the same "from" name in every message they generate. want a different "from" then build another robot script. When I was first getting hooked up as a fido sysop again I was replacing many things I'd lost in hurricane Katrina, including just about all of the software I used in the glory days of my bbs activity. A friend of mine kindly sent me a copy of Harvey's robot, and another nifty little thing called postit. Being the type that isn't up for a lot of adventure when it comes to getting computer stuff working I went with the devil I knew when setting up my system. Harvey's robot dutifully posted rules in the echoes I moderate; sent out echolist updates which my processor dutifully killed after sending and life was good, except for those unwieldy batch files. MORe stuff got added (the radio network reports mentioned above among them) and my first of the month section of the batch file now required its own batch file. even with the simplification offered by postit the darned thing is still pretty big. to accomplish everything that I require on the first of the month there are nearly 700 lines, counting remarks. IT was half again as big before I decided to give postit a spin. The "from" name limitation was what I bumped up against first when looking at the jobs I wanted done by an autoposter. IT was time to take a serious look at other tools. Before I got to postit I had decided to have another look for something to handle areafix functionality for me. Back in my busy system days I'd used squalid as my areafix as it was the only one totally squish compatible, but it had some limitations. NO autoforwarding of requests, and rather bare bones in other ways. SO, I had a look at sqafix. Bundled with sqafix was a little utility called sendmsg which was the author's way of providing for autoforwarding of requests before such functionality was complete within the program itself. IT allowed me to post to local areas as well, handled squish format message bases directly, but still had some limitations. Horses for courses: THe little sendmsg utility bundled with sqafix didn't do origin lines properly for echomail, and this was a problem for me. YEs I know, squish is supposed to take care of that little detail, but I don't find it reliably picking up on messages that do not have a valid origin line. THe message posting functionality built into artware's netmgr seems to truncate larger messages, and was not suitable for multipart postings.So, back to the drawing board. IN addition to the from limitation of Harvey's Robot there's also the problem of y2k compatibility. Easily fixed with pktdate, but we were trying to streamline the batch files, part of what this whole exercise was about. So, another look at postits docs. Hmmm, command line syntax examples didn't look too cumbersome, so I gave it a test spin on a couple of my local areas. I liked the fact that it supports *.msg, squish jam or Hudson message bases directly. I'd seen enough of these things that supported *.msg and maybe one other message base format, but this one supported most of the major players in the message base format game. Even though I wasn't planning on changing message base types, it was nice to know I had the option to continue using the same tools should I decide to for other reasons. Then I discovered its best feature for the way I work. INstead of invoking postit multiple times as would be required on the first of the month, just put all those commands in one file, invoke postit once. YEs, this required registration, but a $10 bill for something that useful isn't much. SO off went a check for ten bucks. The robot only allowed one from field for all the messages it posted during that invocation, whereas postit allowed me to define a separate from and "to" field for each. I could have a bulk file set up to post a message to the echolist showing my name in the "from:" field, "echo moderator" in the rules posting, "Joe sysop" in another if I chose, etc. RIght up my alley!Even better, custom origin lines are supported! Even better yet, no product brag line. YEs you can look at the usually hidden control lines and find out which software was used to post a message, but there are times I'd as soon use something to respond or provide information where I could easily just post an already created text file. Now you're asking yourself why I just don't open the required text file with my favorite text editor and do a straight reply, pasting the text into said reply. Hmmm, I know I've got the file with the info you asked for, but first I've gotta find it. But, now that I've located that blasted file I don't have time to open my message reader, find your message, paste the text, etc. But, I recall your name and fido address, or made a handy note. SO, while I recall the path to that file, I bang out a command line for my autoposter causing a message to be generated going back to you. The message goes into the proper area and is scanned out next time, and I'm off to do whatever else I need to accomplish. IF on the other hand I do one of those "I'll have to take care of sending that when I get back home things I might forget, and you'll wonder after a day or two if I am ignoring you or something even more unflattering. Why do I wish to post an already created text file? Lots of reasons may occur to you. Alright, another example. I get bulletins from the American RAdio relay league, and a variety of other ham radio related electroniic publications which I post to relevant echoes. Some of them need to be broken into parts to accomodate the variety of echomail processors in use. Creating robot scripts depending on how many parts the publication required was cumbersome when writing batch files. A simpler method was needed, with provisions to inform me that the publication in question required more parts than I provided for, and therefore was not posted, and the resulting files created not deleted. So, after soldiering on with the tools I knew how to use for awhile I thought it was high time to have a look at something else and see if it met my needs. Another friendly fidonet sysop and ham radio aficionado could forward me some items I can't access from the web at another email account, but he found preparing them for transmission as echomail cumbersome. I agreed to prepare them for transmission as echomail if he'd be willing to send along those I couldn't access. Suddenly my comfort zone of the familiar and known had to be invaded, for it was time to try something new. Yes, I still use the robot for some posting chores, and the automatic posting facilities in netmgr for others. BUt, it seems I've found my autoposting version of the adjustable wrench, finally after years of looking. SO, we've had a good look at some common fidonet bots. NExt time, we'll have a look at fidonet mailer types, how they differ and how they handle traffic and other housekeeping. Upcoming: Want to increase your wireless networking range? Yes VIrginia, it's old school, it's radio! THink before you part with your $$$ and try a couple of experiments first! Maybe you'll see some benefits, and maybe you won't. Free upgrades are always the best upgrades, so give these a try first. Page 4 T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number IV June 2009 =================================================================== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= !!! G A Z E T T E B B S L I S T !!! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-= By bbslist @ filegate.net Send updates, changes to address above or to janis @ filegate.net. System.......Prism BBS FidoAddress..1:261/38 Phone........607-655-5652 Software.....BBBS LiI Flag OS...........Linux (Gentoo) C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, and file areas. Telnet.......filegate.net telnet access offers full features of the standard bbs such as doors, qwkmail, BWmail,Files, etc. www:.........http:/www.filegate.net:8090/bbbs [web interface is limited really to reading messages and replying online, or downloading messages in qwk packets, but not uploading them], and file download access. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- System.......Time Warp of the Future BBS FidoAddress..1:14/400 Phone........none Software.....sbbs 3.15a (very beta) OS...........win. (xp pro. sp3) C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, and file areas. Telnet.......time.synchro.net:24 or time.darktech.org:24 or timewarpfuture.dyndns.org:24 telnet access offers full features of the standard bbs such as doors, messages or file area etc. www:.........http://time.synchro.net:81 Web interface is limited really to reading messages and replying online, or downloading messages in qwk packets, but not uploading them, and file download access. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- System.......Lionsden BBS FidoAddress..1:224/303 Phone........613-392-8896 Software.....Sunchronet OS...........Windows XP C/B Verify...None Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, and file areas. Telnet.......lionsden.darktech.org telnet access offers full features of the standard bbs such as doors, qwkmail, Files, etc. www:.........http:/www.lionsden.darktech.org You will redirected to a menu where you can choose one of three sites. The first one is private and requires PW to get into. FTP..........FTP://lionsden.darktech.org Files only =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- System.......Christian Fellowship FidoAddress..1:266/512 Phone........1-856-933-7096 Software.....PCBoard 15.3 OS...........Windows XP pro C/B Verify...Manually via email or voice usually within 24 hours. Access.......Read only until verified. Once verified write access to Msg bases, file areas, chat and doors/games. Telnet.......cfbbs.dtdns.net or cfbbs.no-ip.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Page 5 T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number IV June 2009 =================================================================== ================================= Dr. DeBug Answers Your Questions! ================================= By dr.debug @ filegate.net What is a File Request? ======================= A file request is a special type of netmail that allows you to ask another Fidonet system for a file that system has in it's filebase archive. Your mailer then picks up the file you asked for and delivers it to your system. If the system you are calling doesn't have the file you are asking for, you will get an error message explaining that. If there is some other problem (not enough time before an event, not enough security, it's during ZMH, you need certain privileges for that file, etc.) you will get a response explaining the problem as well. How to do it: ============ You send a message to the SysOp of the BBS who has the file, with the name of the file you want in the Subject line, but you turn on the FREQ bit of the message. That is what tells his/her mailer to send you the file in the subject line. Different BBS programs and mailers may do this a bit differently, but essentially, they all have you set some type of "freq" bit or flag so that the receiving system automatically knows that the information you are sending in your netmail message is a "request for a file to go from your system to mine please" For instance, BBBS's mailer has you set the freq bit in a netmail message in the Subj: line by prefacing the Subject: with the character "&<". Let's say I want to file request a file from Sean Dennis's system. A file request from my system to Sean Dennis's system would look like this: To: Sean Dennis Subject: &< 1:18/200 FILES When I send this message to Sean's system, his system will respond with a file that contains a list of the downloadable archives on his system _if his system is set up to allow file requests_. Some systems may not be set up to do so, so you should check first. Also the name of the file may really be named allfiles.zip, or files.zip, so I'm counting on his mailer using the magic name of FILES. FILES is the magic name normally used by SysOps in Fidonet for the list of all downloadable archives - so if you want to know what files a SysOp has, try freqing FILES. If you get an error message, check the error message out, because the error message will often tell you what MAGIC names the sysop uses for files like the "allfiles" list. So now you have the file list, you can peruse it at your leisure and find that file you needed for your door tournament, etc. :) Be prepared for a large file though.. some allfiles lists can be large. The one at PRISM at one time reached 8M.. right now it is at 3.7M because of drive crash a long time ago (grin). Some systems may require a password for a particular file or directory. To specify the password for a FrontDoor System, you would do it like this: To: Sysop Subj: ZanyFile.zip ! mypassword ( filename (space) and a '!' character on the subject line ) For BinkleyTerm (this is not BinkD, remember): Press Alt-G from the Binkleyterm screen. It will ask you "address to get from", then file to get, password to use. Squish tosser is similar to all of the above: SQUISH GET FILE.ZIP!MYPWD 1:261/38 So check your bbs or mailer's documentation - it's probably there and easy to do. Regards, Doc ================================================= A hardy Net 261 Welcome Michael Luko, 1:261/0 As temporary NC for net 261, I proudly and hardily welcome Scott Brown from Westminster, MD and the members of his BBS, The Realms of Blue, to Fidonet 261. Page 6 T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number IV June 2009 ===================================================================== -=-=-=-=-=- F O O D Even sysops have to eat! -=-=-=-=-=- By Janis Kracht, 1:261/38 This is another tiramisu - a bit different than the one I made for the Fidonet Cooking Echo picnic. Mine was more authentic, but this one will be easier to find ingredients to make it. One of my relatives in New Jersey sent me this recipe. I could say something, but I won't Lol :) Hey I was born in Jersey so stop thinking what you are thinking :) :) Mickalena's Tiramisu Serves 10-12 people. 1 package ladyfingers 6 eggs,, separated 1/2 pint plus 1 Tablespoon heavy cream 1/2 cup sugar 1 teaspoon vanilla or almond extract 1 cup strong black coffee 1 square baking chocolate, grated into curls with large side of grater Place ladyfingers in a square dish, 13 inches X 9 inches, or 11 inches X 13 inches Soak ladyfingers with coffee. Beat egg yolks for 5 minutes, gradually adding the sugar. The egg yolks should look lemony in color. Beat the heavy cream until stiff, and then fold into the egg yolk and sugar mixture. In a separate bowl, beat the egg whites until stiff. Carefully fold the egg whites into the whipped cream mixture. Add vanilla or almond extract and stir gently. Cover the lady fingers with this mixture. Cover with tin foil and refrigerate 2 hours. Sprinkle with chocolate curls, and serve. Page 7 T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number IV June 2009 ===================================================================== [Articles] The New Age Haunts Some By Janis Kracht, 1:261/38 In 1990, Fidonet's Randy Bush arranged to have the K12 educational network incorporated into Fidonet. The K12 Network's affiliation with Fidonet offered worldwide telecommunications for teachers, students and schools that were not able to access the internet because of constrained budgets, or because they lacked technical expertise to implement higher-level access to existing telecommunications networks. Using our FTN technology, schools were able to use a penpal program to "promoting global awareness" and soon many schools were part of the K12 network. The K12 Network left Fidonet many many years ago. If I had to guess, I would say it was probably around 1995 or so. And here we are in the present. But what happened to all those posts after the K12 network left? Are they gone? Did they get dumped in the bit-bucket? You might be surprised at the answer and give thought to anything you post on the internet, anywhere. A few weeks ago, a young woman contacted me asking for help, because some _17_ years ago, at the age of 11, she had posted on the K12 network as part of the pen pal program. She'd been at her uncle's house way back then, and had been offered the use of the computer. Now those posts show up with her name and a funny fidonet node number when she searches for her name on Google, and she'd need the correct "user name and password" to remove them according to Google. It was a harmless day of fun at her uncle's house, she remembers: "Here, type something on this machine, and people will type back to you." he'd said to her. She told me how she remembers now how amazed she was then at this machine - She remembered thinking, "People did indeed respond! You could make friends and 'talk'" So she wrote a note to a "penpal". She told her new friend her name, her city, her brother's name, where they lived and her hobbies and some other personal information. She forgot about it.. she was 11 - Who thinks what you type to a penpal! Now - remember when all those search engine wars were going on? Bits and bytes were flying left and right as one service vied for superiority over another with better content.. and content meant buying archives... archives of what? you know it.. usenet.. which is where the K12 network stayed after they left Fidonet. And of course who ended up with usenet and K12, but GOOGLE.. Should anyone google for this young lady's name, chances are quite a bit of personal information will be made publicly available. This is not something she is very comfortable with. And so, now and theoretically, forever, this young lady's personal information will be on Google's groups and plainly "available". She is lucky however, being Canadian. She at least has a Privacy Commisioner where she lives, who may be able to convince Google to remove the information because she was so young when she entered the information. It strikes me how much information we haphazardly enter into the 'infobalm'. People may not realize that places like FaceBook and other similar 'social networking spots' may soon become the next 'collection' points - that is if they are not already - for search engines and commercial marketing tools and ploys. All of this brings to mind the words someone said to me long ago (in about 1992 as I was taking over the PDN FDN), "Leave the smallest electronic footprint you can". It was my husband who said that to me then, and he was abolutely right. Page 8 T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number III May 2009 ================================================================ INFO: Where to Send Your Articles Unlike most editors, I surely do not mind running my mouth when there is a sparcity of articles for the 'zine. I'd MUCH rather you sent in material but I think until someone starts a discussion you feel like commenting about, you evil dullards (just kidding!!!) will no doubt complain about "no issues" (grin) So I will fill these issues with my meanderings and thoughts and hopefully we will grow into something of consequence here :) Don't be offended.. write an article! If you WOULD like to submit an article and prove me wrong about the dullard aspect of you guys and gals (bg), feel free to drop your article off at: By email attach to address: janis @ filegate.net Fidonet attach: Janis Kracht 1:261/38 Modem: 607-655-5652 1:261/100 filegate.net via telnet mailer filegate.net via binkp mailer (don't send articles as routed attaches, send them direct to filegate.net). Give it a title, sign your name and network address if you have one and send it along! Don't worry about the format, I can take anything you send me and mutilate it further as you can see above. Linux is nice that way (g). Spell checking your own work will help though (something I'm typically guilty of (g)). To send a question to Dr. Debug, email a question to dr.debug @ filegate.net or post in the fidogazette echo! :) To send a listing to the fidogazette internet bbs list, send your bbs listing to bbslist @ filegate.net or post it in the fidogazette echo! :) Page 9 T h e F i d o G a z e t t e! Volume III number IV June 2009 =====================================================================